What other foreign countries laws issue are irrelevant. Many other countries do now allow dual citizenship, for some other countries you cannot renounce your citizenship. Such is life. Talking about other countries laws is moot as those laws do not apply in Taiwan. In many countries ROC nationals would have to renounce. But this is beside the point. Are you an ROC National?
How about you list them then?
Certainly none of the countries I helped people in Taiwan immigrate to when I had my immigration business. Not all my clients were ROC citizens many were expats working in Taiwan wanting to immigrate to Australia.
Completely equal in that everyone regardless of race or nationality has to renounce. (What’s not is the laws allowing elites to not renounce.)
It is also equal in that once you are a Taiwanese and have renounced you can acquire all the citizenships you could ever want.
Exactly
I never asked them to.
All I said was I don’t think Canada should send sons and daughters here to die. Fortunately. That’s a future hypothetical that isn’t worth worrying about right now.
Frankly, between the traffic, the food, the cost of buying a home in the areas where I can work, and the demographic decline, I’m winding down my time here. If it were easy to pick up citizenship on my way out the door I would, and I totally get why they wouldn’t want to facilitate that. I’ve got better professional opportunities off the island, only came here because of COVID19.
As for the future of Taiwan with the current status of immigration, and the ability to defend itself with a shrinking and aging population, you’re right that’s totally their choice
I agree.
OK so you came to escape another country and don’t intend to stay. Maybe you can find another country that lets you pick up citizenship on your way out the door.
If China did invade I’m sure Canada will be throwing out the welcome mat to the people in Taiwan. I’d make a good refugee.
When you do. Let me know which area you pick for your free house from Trudeau. Perhaps we could have Trudeau build us houses in the same neighborhood?
You seem to be talking more of very specific groups of foreigners. Many years ago, it was near impossible to become taiwanese. Then it loosened and LOADS of foreigners rushed here. It’s why we have so many mixed kids now in Taiwan, which is a net positive for our society once that generation is old enough to potentially run for office.
The difference now is that Taiwan is legitimate first world, and the society reflects that. Peo9le are more educated. They have gone abroad and moved back. Raised families following. Now people are fighting for more human rights. That’s what’s happening. It’s not just work rights, citizenship etc, but even food safety, environmental, health care, pension etc etc. It’s all evolving quite quick and it’s happening now. Which is why it’s a good time for us “western foreigners” to also keep pushing. Right now there are people in taiwans society willing to listen, the best time is now.
Taiwan civil servants aren’t even allowed dual nationality… that means the people making the rules only have a single nationality and can only have that one.
Even librarians working for public libraries are restricted to one nationality
That’s nice, not sure why you’re quoting me
Nonsense. The same rule applied 30 years ago when Poagao applied and when I applied 26 years ago. The difference back then I needed 7 years residency on an ARC. Paogao got himself adopted as the age of independence was 20. The issue for many is the renunciation or their home country like mine did not allow dual citizenship. Many people here come from countries such as Indonesia Thailand Vietnam that do not allow resumption or dual nationality.
The law changed to 5 years on an ARC and later on three years on an ARC to those married to an ROC national. Many of those same people could have stayed on an APRC and not naturalized. Also Taiwan passport holders required visas as visa free entry was not available in the 80’s and 90’s for most countries.
I have foreign friends who have been here over 5 decades and no they are not priests. People started coming because they could see Taiwan was a wealthy country jobs in their own countries paid less. It’s great Taiwan has improved over especially since the end of martial law in 1986.
@Comfy I know some who won’t naturalize as they have a government job and their own country wont let them renounce. If they naturalized they could not continue in their government job due to now being allowed dual citizenship.
Life is full of challenges. Yes its great we push for human rights but dual citizenship isn’t a human right. Many of us have children born here to ROC Mothers when the law was citizenship could only be passed on by the father, which was also true in many western countries as well.
Taiwan did change the law and backdate it but there should have been no time limit. @tommy525 missed out due to this time rule where as my son left Taiwan as his ARC expired when he turned 20 and got his NWOHR passport in Australia. Now with a new law in 2024 he can get his HHR and ID card as when he was born he had one parent with HHR and ID.
These changes to the law happen very slowly. Some people are in a rush like Frankie Four Fingers.
They cannot run for office if they have ROC and other nationalities.
In the 90s Taipei was much dirtier with trash thrown around. Now people will give you dirty looks if you don’t recycle 
correctly 
You guys think 30 years ago is a long time ago…lol. 
Many years ago, meaning not just young parents age group now, it was martial law and a cluster fuck. As I explained in my previous post. Just to clarify timeliness hehe 
also, not just western foreigners, foreigners from China have always had the usual exceptions.
As a reminder, @anon24369109. The issue isn’t about dual citizenship being a human right. That’s a debate for another time. It is taiwans constant hypocrisy, which you cannot deny.
Night. And. Fucking. Day. But peo9le will still, rightfully so, shit on how much litter there still is in Taiwan. That’s why we keep pushing. Few hundred years ago “civilized society” was dumping their feces onto the street. We tend to forget why and how we get things to improve. Pushing hard to change. People doing nothing and waiting for someone else never changed much…
People also drove the wrong way down one way streets causing traffic chaos.
Until CSB was elected mayor and he had the police do a bg crack down on drivers.
Can’t say I’ve only been here 36 years.
Taiwan’s rule for foreigners and citizens does not have to be the same. Australia had a rule where Australians who obtained citizenship of another country lost Australian citizenship but immigrants could get Australian citizenship and keep their original citizenship.
Lots of countries have quirky rules.
Yes, and? As a group of people who are not treated with equality, why should we not voice our concerns and try to improve our lives? Every person who is not treated with the same standards as other groups within the same umbrella of a country should stand up. That’s how women got to vote, black people were able to vote etc in some countries.
It’s not just our right to try and change this hypocrisy, but for many of us it is our responsibility to try and improve our country towards a more equality based system. Even if we are not recognized as full human beings compared to citizens. I say, fight harder. Because the hypocrisy is the cringey part. It’s not that its “quirky”, it’s that it is a blatant double standard. And we can all work together to make Taiwan an even better beacon of human rights over time. It has already shown the world it is very capable of becoming such but the work is not done. Not by a long shot.
Ya, not long. In expat circles bragging about years and experience, some may think so. But in the realm of taiwans evolution, that’s recent history. Going from what Taiwan was to what you saw on arrival and today is an incredible evolution. And it is improving. Fast. I say fast because of comparisons to normal human evolutions which may take centuries. Not a few decades.