Omni said:
Oh, man! I’m getting a woodie just picturing this… 
I have often wondered if Sisy and her ilk bailed from the DPP more because they felt like they were not getting party promotions and the policies implemented that they wanted, rather than admiring the KMT.
Let’s not forget that there are factions within the DPP.
That’s hilarious. Everyone’s been slating the Pan-Blue alliance for clumsily comparing Chen Shuibian to Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. Now you are doing the same to Sisy Chen.
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I guess that bit of irony was wasted upon you.
[quote=“Juba”]
Perhaps you don’t know that there is a whole list of figures who have left the DPP and leant towards the KMT/PFP side. e.g.
Ju Gaojeng (Zhu Gaozheng): Former DPP legislator. Formed the Social Democratic Party. Merged the SDP with the New Party. Was expelled from the New Party. Now a lecturer and political commentator.
Shih Ming-Teh (Shi Mingde): Former DPP chairman, now independent.
Hsu Hsin-Liang (Xu Xinliang): Former DPP chairman, now independent. Stood for president in the 2000 elections but got a very low vote. Publicly supported Lien-Soong in this election.
Sisy Chen (Chen Wenqian): Former DPP spokeswoman, now an independent legislator.
Li Yongping: ex-DPP, now a PFP legislator
(More names to be added. Any corrections by PM, please.)
The point is that Sisy Chen’s defection from the DPP was not just a personal decision, but part of a trend. These ex-DPP people are loosely grouped together, and also linked to certain figures from the KMT/NP/PFP fold.[/quote]
A trend? By my count you have five names. Hardly a “whole list of figures”. 
This is absolutely pathetic. I’m certain that any of you guys who think it acceptable or even appropriate to criticize a woman’s physical appearance would cry if a woman turned around and criticized your small limp penis in a debate.
I don’t understand how some of you can even think that such behavior is defensible.
I don’t like it either, but people seem to think commenting on Ma Yingjiu’s appearance is fair game. Just saying…
Everything is permissable on Forumosa.com, even remarks we don’t agree with or like. Tigerman is right, of course, but freedom of speech prevails… within bounds.
An interesting paper somewhat related to this: Gender and Party Politics: Case Study of the Democratic Progressive Party on Taiwan
[quote]Conclusion: In short, the DPP offered support for women and women’s issues. However, the party’s articulation of women’s issues focused on women in the traditional roles of mother and primary carer. Also, the organisation’s support for women’s issues stemmed in part from the realisation that supporting public policies for women translated into getting more women’s votes. The DPP’s political communications of women’s issues, or the investigation of women’s concerns, were responsibilities that fell primarily to the women within the party. In the rare cases where male interviewees brought up the subject of women, they discussed the topic only in the context of gaining votes from women. Furthermore, the party had yet to concretise this support for women in the society at large, because the DPP could not implement its policies as an opposition party.
Internally, however, the DPP showed its support for women primarily with the one-in-four rule that promoted women’s participation in party politics. But despite the support for women among party leaders, some men within the DPP still harboured traditional and sexist attitudes toward women. Thus, official support for women’s issues did not make the party less patriarchal or its members less sexist than in Taiwan’s society at large. One interviewee’s remark summarised the gendered dimensions of this case study: ‘Women’s voices are heard in the DPP, but there aren’t enough voices. And they’re not loud enough.’ These descriptive findings illustrate not only the situation of women in the DPP, but also the need to recognise the importance of gendered dimensions of political activism. [/quote]
I recommend reading the whole thing if you have time.
The paper is found on an interesting site on Taiwan’s elections:
nottingham.ac.uk/iaps/taiwan/ (Turn off image loading if you’re on a dial-up, because the site’s badly designed with outrageously large graphics.)
On your high horse again, tigerman? That’s not very impressive, you know, when the horse has had its legs sawn off.
But you probably can’t see that because you’ve screwed your eyes tight shut against any reasoning that might interfere with your narrow perception of the world or demonstrate the absurdity of your ill-considered pronouncements.
Now what or who else does that bring to mind? Oh yes, it’s just like the mentally-blinkered anti-Chen zealots spouting their monotonous tirade of idiotic accusations against him. See no reason, hear no reason, and speak no reason.
I really can’t be bothered wasting words on those who are so wilfully blind and obtuse!
[quote=“Omniloquacious”]On your high horse again, tigerman? That’s not very impressive, you know, when the horse has had its legs sawn off.
But you probably can’t see that because you’ve screwed your eyes tight shut against any reasoning that might interfere with your narrow perception of the world or demonstrate the absurdity of your ill-considered pronouncements.
Now what or who else does that bring to mind? Oh yes, it’s just like the mentally-blinkered anti-Chen zealots spouting their monotonous tirade of idiotic accusations against him. See no reason, hear no reason, and speak no reason.
I really can’t be bothered wasting words on those who are so wilfully blind and obtuse! [/quote]
Omni, I think you’re not being fair to me on this issue. I’m not riding any high horse. I’m addressing an issue of basic (not high-minded) courtesy and common sense.
Moreover, I am not blindly raging against criticism of the KMT and its supporters. I wholey support such criticism of the like, including Sisy Chen. And while I am not a big fan of CSB, I do respect very much the DPP and I dislike very much the KMT. Thus, referring to me as being “wilfully blind and obtuse”, IMO is uncalled for, as well as being obviously considerably off the mark.
I simply do not think it appropriate to refer negatively to the physical appearance of anyone, male or female, at any time, and especially when criticizing their politics and or ideas (as physical appearance has nothing at all to do with politics and ideas).
What possibly could a person’s physical appearance have to do with his/her intellectual ideas? Are you seriously stating that beautiful people hold better ideas than those who are not beautiful? Have you not seen my many posts in the international politics forum and gleaned from the same that I am somewhat conservative regarding US foreign policy? Would it surprise you to know that I look like a Deadhead… tie-dye wearing uncombed unshaved… and not like an attorney? You would be wrong (and foolish) to judge me by my appearance.
There is a very old saying that I’m certain you have come across many times… “Don’t judge a book by its cover”.
Guys… you both agree that she’s a talentless political rabble-rouser performing stupid stunts in order to secure her election/re-election/whatever. Right?
I mean, that’s a fact.
When it comes to hear breast, who reportedly are sagging (haven’t seen them, can’t say), then they don’t matter all that much in this respect. Even if she had the most perky bosom in Taiwan, that would not make her less of a fool.
[quote=“Mr He”]Guys… you both agree that she’s a talentless political rabble-rouser performing stupid stunts in order to secure her election/re-election/whatever. Right?
I mean, that’s a fact.
When it comes to hear breast, who reportedly are sagging (haven’t seen them, can’t say), then they don’t matter all that much in this respect. Even if she had the most perky bosom in Taiwan, that would not make her less of a fool.[/quote]
Here. Here. Lets take Sisy Chen for what she is - a madly ambitious opportunist. I hope she cried tears of sorrow into her kimchi during her two day sojourn to Korea. However, criticizing her looks is not very nice. Homely girls need a lotta loving as well. Maybe that is why she has so many dogs. 
[quote=“Chewycorns”]
Here. Here. (hear hear)Lets take Sisy Chen for what she is - a madly ambitious opportunist. I hope she cried tears of sorrow into her kimchi during her two day sojourn to Korea…[/quote]
Hear hear! Can anyone explain why she went to Korea? Why Korea? What’s the connection? Just the shortest cheapest exit from Taiwan in a hurry at full fair price? And WHO was that women with her?
[quote=“lane119”][quote=“Chewycorns”]
Here. Here. (hear hear)Lets take Sisy Chen for what she is - a madly ambitious opportunist. I hope she cried tears of sorrow into her kimchi during her two day sojourn to Korea…[/quote]
Hear hear! Can anyone explain why she went to Korea? Why Korea? What’s the connection? Just the shortest cheapest exit from Taiwan in a hurry at full fair price? And WHO was that women with her?[/quote]
Maybe she was hoping to be kidnapped by a North Korean agent and forced to make home movies for Kim Jong-il.
A woman on the street (with perfect breasts) who sold me a sandwich told me that Sisy went to Korea to check out how they did impeach their president.
Thats funny. A sandwich in the street with perfect breasts told me that Sisy went to Korea to impeach the president for checking her out. I have to stay off these damn 222s.
Chewy
That is what she said on TV…but then again I doubt that anything she’d say now would result in any change in the outcome - what the Taiwanese need to do is forgive AND FORGET.
Okay, El Tigre, on the whole that’s a fair enough post. Its only fault is that it completely misses the essential point at the crux of whether references to that ghastly woman’s breasts are appropriate or not in the context of this thread. I take it you probably skipped through the thread and didn’t pick up the context, so I’ll spell it out clearly for you and anyone else who also failed to see it.
At a certain point in this discussion about Sisy Chen’s most recent appalling behaviour, mention was made of a well-known incident in which she flaunted her breasts on TV and tried to extract political advantage from them. Drawing the TV audience’s attention to the said breasts, she indicated that she might be willing to uncover them and let them be photographed for a well-known soft-porn publication if she were paid a certain large sum of money. Her aim was clearly to titillate the viewers and to attract interest in and support for her political posturing through the lure of those breasts. Perhaps she felt that her political agenda, personal credibility, or whatever she was pushing for consumption could not be presented appealingly enough without this added garnish [i]
Chen told reporters jokingly that she would “take advantage of her breasts’ surplus value by posing naked for the magazine at a cost of NT$3 million.”
Jokingly
Sisy is a good woman. Disagree with her as you might, disparaging her, lying about her, and making fun of her only shows you to be disgustingly contemptuous and intellectually vacuous.
Proving that she also lacks even the most basic knowledge of human anatomy.
As Housecat might say:
“Not now Honey, I’m lactating.”