For someone who in an adjacent thread is very concerned about how I wives might feel *about what is posted, reducing their efforts to learning English to, “fucking white guys”, it is a bit thoughtless, no? I might have thought you would have been perceptive enough to pick up on the baggage associated with statements like that.
As for the topic. My experience with language learning is that you need both. You need the classroom for the structure and the concepts and real-life interaction for the fluency and nuance. SOs can play a role. Have a good argument and see how many finer points of meaning you will pick-up.[/quote]
Sure, and they get the structure at school. I was referring to my friends, not your wives.
Honestly, I taught languages to adults for ten years, and am convinced the process is the least efficient way. Spending time , one on one, with someone who knows your language level well and cares enough to help you whenever you open your mouth is one of the best ways. If someone is convinced they reached an upper intermediate level through cramschool study as an adult in Taiwan, then they are utterly fooling themself because the level of input is not tuned enough and not enough in terms of quantity. Effort is irrelevant; the key factors are intelligence/aptitude for languages and exposure to huge amounts of input at the appropriate level. A lot of research and and my own observation have made this fairly clear to me.
Me, I learned Chinese at Shida and from my friends. I learned my other languages at school or taught myself. Shida was absolutely not enough. My Chinese is shite.
Taiwanese ladies, if you want to get on in English, get a ‘special friend’. Or, if you really can’t bring yourself to do something so … unp leasant … study by yourself. Take the oodles of cash you waste on being one of twenty in unqualified hangover boy’s credit crunch travel fantasy and spend it on books and movies and holidays.
This isn’t controversial advice; it’s akin to saying if you want to get fit, don’t join a gym, exercise.
(*What gave you the impression that I caaaaare? )