The October Surprise?

[Rascal]

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Some comments:
1. I did NOT post this in the ‘Crossfire International’ forum. I posted this thread in the ‘International Politics’ thread. It has been moved by someone. Obviously this then allows such blatant abusive comments to be wielded against the person posting rather than an actual discussion of the video.[/quote]
Uh, do you know where the feedback forum is and what it’s purpose is? No? Let me show you: Feedback Forum

2. It is patently obvious than none of those making comments have viewed the video and its content.

Wrong, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. There is nothing new in there, we have been through that in your smear thread regarding the BC, his BC is as real as it gets and sufficient to prove he is a natural born citizen. From: Born in the USA

The document is a “certification of birth,” also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

So prove, beyond any doubt, that the document is a fake or shut up.

Furthermore the lawyer claims that factcheck.org is owned by Annenberg of Chicago (video from 3:55 onwards) and thus there is a conflict of interest as Obama served on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC).
Now let’s do a quick fact check ourselves and we find that factcheck.org is NOT, I repeat NOT owned by CAC, instead it part of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania and that factcheck.org staff is responsible for the content, not the Annenberg Center (see at the bottom of the previous link). If the lawyer wants to make for a convincing argument he should perhaps not confuse things.

The preferred tactic is a gang-bang attack on the person posting. Much easier than actually using the remaining intellect no doubt.

Maybe if you post something worthy of an intellectual response rather than right-wing crap and add some opinion of your own for discussion, in particular when there are people addressing the topic instead of just quoting from sources who’s content you often do not understand the responses would be different.
Instead you start your usual whining to avoid the debate because you know you have no arguments to bring to the table.

If this is illustrative of the caliber of Barrack Hussein Obama supporters that alone will simply move more undecideds to choose his opponent. Keep on keepin’ on.

This part says it all (taken from the OP):

Let’s get the word out! Pass this video on to everyone you know.

Yeah, let’s spread the crap since the other smears obviously failed to achieve their aim. Grasping straws and all that. Pathetic and worthy of the responses you have gotten.

So now, its coming out. And the response is telling in its manner. Refutation by facts? No, just personal attacks, smirking condescension and insults. Yet nothing addressing the questions raised.

There is nothing ‘coming out’ except lies.

[TainanCowboy]

[quote]TC-do you actually believe this lawsuit to be true?[/quote]The lawsuit is indeed real and true. It was filed in, I believe, the 3rd week of August 2008 in Pennsylvania. Those details are specified in the video.[quote]Do you think that Obama was born in Kenya,[/quote]Personally, I really do not have an opinion as to where he was born. What is troubling, and is casting heavy doubt, is that the facts of his birth could be quickly, simply and legally ‘sorted out’ by his just producing a valid Certificate of Live Birth. A genuine notarized COLB. He and his group refuse to do this.[quote]"… or that he was born in Hawaii and then lost his natural-born citizenship when he went to school in Indonesia?[/quote]The gentleman in the video describes this procedure quite clearly. I can offer nothing additional on this. Documents showing his age, registration and school attendance in Indonesia at that time are in public domain. The statements of his siblings and relatives regarding the matter are also on record…as is shown in the video.
IMO, this lawsuit is something that did not have to happen. It could have easily been avoided. As the gentleman makes notice. But the refusal by the Obama group has necessitated it. Frankly, its more a matter of the U.S. Constitutional than a political grudge. Our Constitution clearly states the requirements for POTUS. It is up to each party offering up a nominee to assure themselves and the people of the U.S.A that their candidate meets these Constitutional requirements.

[Elegua]

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“Elegua”]What are you expecting TC? What you’re posting is on the same level as former TV show. Do you really expect us to take this seriously?[/quote]Elegua -
No, you are quite wrong. That you, and others, choose to belittle my comments with condescension does not in any way make them unworthy of discussion.
What is less than worthy is the personal attacks put forth rather than an acknowledgment that Obama carrys some very heavy bad baggage from his past. Its been well-known but not discussed until his selection as the Demo Party candidate for POTUS.

So now, its coming out. And the response is telling in its manner. Refutation by facts? No, just personal attacks, smirking condescension and insults. Yet nothing addressing the questions raised.

Personally, I give less than a pig fart about the personal attacks and insults directed at me. Mind over matter - I don’t mind because they don’t matter.
But what this is showing is the real lack of political knowledge and ability to discuss an issue that might shake a core or foundational belief. Seen it before during the Clinton* regime. So many had so much emotionally invested in what he was pushing that when his house of cards was hit with the wind of truth and began to crumble, they were left in such a bereft state that lashing out was all they could do. Same thing here.

And then others, are just drive-by trolls looking for a cheap poke to make their sordid life feel better than someone else.

I do know that DemosAbroad is based in HK and they/she are/is being quite liberal with $$$'s at the bars and sponsored events. But my god that horrid woman is ugly to the bone. And I am not just referring to the physical…bitter soul in that one.

So Elegua, you can take it or leave it. Your choice of course. But my humorous posts are much easier to spot. [/quote]

Hmm… I almost never make personal attacks. Generally I refuse to accept any position without some kind of substantiation. I do dislike the FUD type swiftboatingish attacks. However, I think your response make your position quite clear.

So, were you the guy screaming, “terrorist”, or the one yelling, “kill him”? Or, were you the guy holding the monkey with the hat?

[Chris]

If Obama were born outside the US, this would have been easily revealed long ago, and Obama wouldn’t have even been eligible to run as a candidate in the first place. It’d take big brass balls to even consider running knowing you’re ineligible to do so Constitutionally and imagine you could get away with it. Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state of the Union. No lawsuit is needed: all that’s needed is to contact the vital records office of the county where Obama was born.

Oh…it’s been done:

fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Similar bogus accusations were made against McCain, having been born in Panama. But he was born in the Canal Zone, then a territory of the US, and is also eligible to run.

It’s beyond silliness to accuse a major candidate of making false claims when such claims have long been readily verifiable through public records (another example being John Kerry’s medals).

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

It’s a cruel thing to deny a drowning man the straws he so desperately clutches for.

HG

[Rascal]

Here is another statement from Mr. Berg, just to give you some perspective whom we are dealing with:

[quote]“It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney.”

“Bush and his cronies made 9/11 happen or let it happen. And, if they let it happen, then they made it happen. Either way, they are responsible; and more important, they have completely and unequivocally covered-it-up!”

Now, it is time for world leaders to take the lesson learned from Iraq and issue a warrant for the arrest of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney; arrest them; take them to a neutral country; try them for the murder of over 2,800 people from more than 80 countries on 9/11/01 and, when found guilty, sentence them appropriately. Jurisdiction would be proper in any of the more than 80 countries whose citizens were murdered on 9/11.[/quote]
Philip J. Berg, Nutbar Supreme

[TainanCowboy]

[quote=“Elegua”]Hmm… I almost never make personal attacks. Generally I refuse to accept any position without some kind of substantiation. I do dislike the FUD type swiftboatingish attacks. However, I think your response make your position quite clear.
So, were you the guy screaming, “terrorist”, or the one yelling, “kill him”? Or, were you the guy holding the monkey with the hat?[/quote]Elegua -
Thankfully, I haven’t the slightest idea WTF you are saying here.

And that’s OK by me.

So, any actual comments on the lawsuit or the video?

[Rascal]

@Chris

If Obama were born outside the US, this would have been easily revealed long ago, and Obama wouldn’t have even been eligible to run as a candidate in the first place. It’d take big brass balls to even consider running knowing you’re ineligible to do so Constitutionally and imagine you could get away with it. Obama was born in Hawaii after it became a state of the Union. No lawsuit is needed: all that’s needed is to contact the vital records office of the county where Obama was born.

Which is why Mr. Berg’s Indonesia connection doesn’t fly, the BC proves that Obama is indeed a natural born citizen. If Mr. Berg were correct the BC could not exist. Or we are back to it being a fake like those “experts” claim that looked at the picture on the internet, as opposed to examining the original which factcheck.org did - but then again they are owned by Annenberg of Chicago *, so they must be in on the conspiracy and the BC is indeed a fake. See, it all fits together …

• as Mr. Berg falsely claims

[Chris]

[quote=“Rascal”]Which is why Mr. Berg’s Indonesia connection doesn’t fly, the BC proves that Obama is indeed a natural born citizen. If Mr. Berg were correct the BC could not exist. Or we are back to it being a fake like those “experts” claim that looked at the picture on the internet, as opposed to examining the original which factcheck.org did - but then again they are owned by Annenberg of Chicago *, so they must be in on the conspiracy and the BC is indeed a fake. See, it all fits together …

• as Mr. Berg falsely claims
  [/quote]

Annenberg? As in Ronald Reagan’s good friend, Republican billionaire Walter Annenberg?

Imagine that!

[MikeN]

Hey, TC, notice you didn’t answer if you agree with Philip K. Berg that Bush and Cheney should be put in front of an international court and tried for murder for deliberately staging 9/11?

I mean this is your star witness; the man whom the film spends so much time detailing the credentials of; surely if you take his word on Obama you will accept him as a credible witness for hauling Bush and Cheney to the Hague for ordering the WTC massacre?

[Mother_Theresa]

@TainanCowboy

Personally, I give less than a pig fart about the personal attacks and insults directed at me. Mind over matter - I don’t mind because they don’t matter. But what this is showing is the real lack of political knowledge and ability to discuss an issue that might shake a core or foundational belief.

Bullshit, TC. Plenty of people, including myself, have viewed the video you linked to and posted intelligent responses pointing out that the plaintiff appears to be a nutcase, his lawsuit appears to be wacko, and the video appears to be just part of one more crazy Internet conspiracy theory.

For example, others pointed out that the plaintiff also sued George Bush for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks and you were asked how you feel about that allegation of his. Do you find it shocking? Should it receive front page news coverage?

And I pointed out that in the U.S. anyone can sue anyone over anything. You may recall a prior thread about the guy who sued his dry cleaner for $54 million for losing a pair of trousers. www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?f … &sk=t&sd=a Just because someone files a lawsuit doesn’t mean there’s any merit to it whatsoever. (That guy lost, incidentally.) It just means one is capable of typing up a Complaint, printing it out, and delivering it to the Clerk with a check for a few hundred bucks. Whether there’s any merit to the claim will be resolved by the Judge or Jury.

In this case, we merely have some guy who sued George Bush for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks and has now sued Obama for allegedly not being an American. The matter is now in the hands of the US Federal judicial system. Do you have some reason to doubt that the judge will act in a fair and impartial manner?

You asked, “if Obama has nothing to hide why is he refusing to cooperate with this lawsuit?” Aside from clearly biased statements made by the plaintiff in the video, do you have any credible evidence supporting your position that Obama is refusing to cooperate with the lawsuit?

If all you’ve got is news that some guy filed a lawsuit, I hate to break it to you, but that don’t mean shit. Do you have anything more?

[TainanCowboy]

Lovely responses one & all…reminds me of this video…inclusion, acceptance and civility…

Liberal Outrage: A Pro-McCain March In Manhattan

Have a lovely week!

[Mother_Theresa]

Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any evidence supporting the lawsuit?

Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any facts concerning Obama allegedly not cooperating with the lawsuit?

Still not going to comment on whether you have any reason to distrust the judge?

Still not going to comment on the Plaintiff’s prior lawsuit regarding George Bush orchestrating 9/11?

Not much of a dialogue going on here, is there?

[Mother_Theresa]

@Namahottie

Illuminati pictures?!?!? Come on, why should I take a video made by a group of people using a name that is synonymous Illuminati Yea, that secret group of men who control the world… :loco:

Why? Because illuminati is constantly breaking the cutting edge news stories that are so immense, so threatening to people’s underlying beliefs about our society and our government, that they pose a serious threat to the stability of our nation – and the world – so the liberal, socialist jewish-cabal of mainstream media have repeatedly buried the stories and those who propogate them invariably end up dead, without the public even hearing a word about it. That is, until illuminati and TC have the courage to bring these critical stories to our attention.

[quote]On December 2nd 2002, [color=#FF0000]Margie D. Schoedinger, a 38-year-old woman from Missouri City, Texas, filed a civil lawsuit against President George W. Bush at the Fort Bend County, Texas, County Clerk’s office accusing the President of drugging and raping her. Nine months later on Sept. 22, 2003 she was dead[/color]. The medical examiner’s office ruled her death a “suicide.” Schoedinger, an African-American, was killed by a shot to the head with a Glock handgun.

[color=#FF0000]This story has been covered by several internet media outlets and by a small English newspaper, The New Nation, but not by the national U.S. media.[/color] The first person to try to bring this issue to the national forefront was writer Jackson Thoreau, co-author of the e-book “We Will Not Get Over It: Restoring a Legitimate White House”. . .

“the Sugar Land Police Department conducted a background investigation into Plaintiff’s past activities,” and according to the article they discoverd that Schoedinger had “dated George W. Bush as a minor.” Sugar Land is a town close to Missouri City, and coincidentally is also the hometown of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Also, according to Thoreau “the suspicious 2002 shooting death of former Enron executive John Clifford Baxter in Sugar Land occurred not far from Schoedinger’s residence. Baxter’s death was also ruled a suicide by the Harris County Medical Examiner’s office, a conclusion questioned by some, including Judicial Watch.” . . .

[color=#FF0000]Schoedinger’s demise is just the lastest in a string of curiously timed deaths surrounding Bush[/color]. . .

[color=#FF0000]Would the mainstream media have covered this lawsuit if the defendant was Bill Clinton? Pehaps Margie Schoedinger was a lunatic. Then again perhaps she wasn’t, and that could be precisely why she’s dead[/color]. . . [/quote]

illuminati-news.com/more-on-schoedinger.htm

[anon38216271]

@Mother Theresa

[quote=“Namahottie”]Illuminati pictures?!?!? Come on, why should I take a video made by a group of people using a name that is synonymous Illuminati Yea, that secret group of men who control the world… :loco:

Why? Because illuminati is constantly breaking the cutting edge news stories that are so immense, so threatening to people’s underlying beliefs about our society and our government, that they pose a serious threat to the stability of our nation – and the world – so the liberal, socialist jewish-cabal of mainstream media have repeatedly buried the stories and those who propogate them invariably end up dead, without the public even hearing a word about it. That is, until illuminati and TC have the courage to bring these critical stories to our attention.

[quote]On December 2nd 2002, [color=#FF0000]Margie D. Schoedinger, a 38-year-old woman from Missouri City, Texas, filed a civil lawsuit against President George W. Bush at the Fort Bend County, Texas, County Clerk’s office accusing the President of drugging and raping her. Nine months later on Sept. 22, 2003 she was dead[/color]. The medical examiner’s office ruled her death a “suicide.” Schoedinger, an African-American, was killed by a shot to the head with a Glock handgun.

[color=#FF0000]This story has been covered by several internet media outlets and by a small English newspaper, The New Nation, but not by the national U.S. media.[/color] The first person to try to bring this issue to the national forefront was writer Jackson Thoreau, co-author of the e-book “We Will Not Get Over It: Restoring a Legitimate White House”. . .

“the Sugar Land Police Department conducted a background investigation into Plaintiff’s past activities,” and according to the article they discoverd that Schoedinger had “dated George W. Bush as a minor.” Sugar Land is a town close to Missouri City, and coincidentally is also the hometown of House Majority Leader Tom DeLay. Also, according to Thoreau “the suspicious 2002 shooting death of former Enron executive John Clifford Baxter in Sugar Land occurred not far from Schoedinger’s residence. Baxter’s death was also ruled a suicide by the Harris County Medical Examiner’s office, a conclusion questioned by some, including Judicial Watch.” . . .

[color=#FF0000]Schoedinger’s demise is just the lastest in a string of curiously timed deaths surrounding Bush[/color]. . .

[color=#FF0000]Would the mainstream media have covered this lawsuit if the defendant was Bill Clinton? Pehaps Margie Schoedinger was a lunatic. Then again perhaps she wasn’t, and that could be precisely why she’s dead[/color]. . . [/quote]
[b]http://www.illuminati-news.com/more-on-schoedinger.htm[/b] [/quote]

it’s like the Godfather…I get pulled back in right when I think I’m out… Okay, that may be MT…But I would perfer something about the company to prove the legitimacy, not an article/story they broke, especially one that’s been cut and pasted…you have to give me a link to something more than the above…

[Mother_Theresa]

I don’t know much about their organization, but here’s their website.
illuminati-news.com/

As you can see, the main attraction at the first page of their website is a video for sale containing an indepth interview with a real ex-VAMPIRE.

[quote] This is a true story. Bill Schnoebelen has been high up in the hierarchy of almost EVERY prominent secret society, and been deeply involved in the darkest of the darkest of the occult. He once was a true Satanist and a REAL vampire, totally addicted to blood, until he managed to break out about 20 years ago .

This is a 9 HOUR interview, and I guarantee you I could not stop watching! I intended to watch one DVD per night, but couldn’t stop until I had watched 6 of them in a row. The night after that I watched the last 3. Amazing guy with astonishing information! Click on the DVD cover above and find out how you can order the 9 set DVD interview with Bill Schoebelen. I highly recommend them!" Wes Penre, Illuminati News[/quote]

Presumably, by clicking on one of the tabs on the left one can find the TOP NEWS STORY that TC alerted us to.

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

So just what is the cut off when it comes to trolling?

HG

[TainanCowboy]

Breaking one of my self-imposed guidelines I’ll give you some more time in the spotlight MT…attention seeker that you are…

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any evidence supporting the lawsuit?[/quote]Still having sex with rabb…Oh, not that tired old canard.
I am not bringing the suit MT. Not my job to provide evidence nor comment on its relevance. Do you have any evidence opposing the lawsuit? No…? So its a moot, and irrelevant question.

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any facts concerning Obama allegedly not cooperating with the lawsuit?[/quote]Pull this one out of a very dark and moist place didn’t cha?
C’mon, practice writing your torts elsewhere. Try to carry on a meaningful dialogue and avoid crap like this. It may impress the kids but its nothing but diversion and treading water and you know it.

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you have any reason to distrust the judge?[/quote]See above response…and amplify.

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on the Plaintiff’s prior lawsuit regarding George Bush orchestrating 9/11?[/quote]Tell us O Legal Beagle…what is the current standing of that specific suit you are so heavily enamored of?
Reveal to us the intricacies and devious tentacles of conspiracy exposed by the action you harp upon?
Enlighten us…please please please!

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Not much of a dialogue going on here, is there?[/quote]Yeah, you’re not answering any of my questions.
Why is that?

[Mother_Theresa]

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any evidence supporting the lawsuit?[/quote]Still having sex with rabb…Oh, not that tired old canard.
I am not bringing the suit MT. Not my job to provide evidence nor comment on its relevance. Do you have any evidence opposing the lawsuit? No…? So its a moot, and irrelevant question.[/quote]

No it’s not irrelevant. You started a thread on this lawsuit and suggested it’s important. We all countered that it’s clearly a wacko conspiracy theory lawsuit brought by some nutcase and totally lacking in evidentiary support. I asked if you’re aware of any evidence, aside from the plaintiff’s allegations, in support of the case. You refuse to respond. Therefore, it’s just the allegations of a lawsuit filed by an apparent nutjob. As I pointed out, anyone can allege anything in a lawsuit. The Complaint alone means nothing.

[quote][quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you’re aware of any facts concerning Obama allegedly not cooperating with the lawsuit?[/quote]Pull this one out of a very dark and moist place didn’t cha?
C’mon, practice writing your torts elsewhere. Try to carry on a meaningful dialogue and avoid crap like this. It may impress the kids but its nothing but diversion and treading water and you know it.[/quote]

So you’re not answering that either? You asked why Obama’s refusing to cooperate if he has nothing to hide. I asked you to provide evidence that he’s refusing to cooperate. You refuse to do so. Therefore, I guess we can dismiss that allegation of yours.

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on whether you have any reason to distrust the judge?[/quote]See above response…and amplify.

As I explained, a mere Complaint alone proves nothing. What matters is the rulings of hte judge and/or jury. There have been no such rulings in this case, so the lawsuit proves absolutely nothing. The judge will presumably deal with the action in fair and proper manner and eventually dismiss the suit as completely lacking in merit. I assume by your refusal to answer that you will then have no objection to the dismissal of the action.

[quote][quote=“Mother Theresa”]Still not going to comment on the Plaintiff’s prior lawsuit regarding George Bush orchestrating 9/11?[/quote]Tell us O Legal Beagle…what is the current standing of that specific suit you are so heavily enamored of?
Reveal to us the intricacies and devious tentacles of conspiracy exposed by the action you harp upon?[/quote]

I don’t know the details. They were alleged/concocted by the man who filed the lawsuit that you wanted to discuss. It is his credibility that’s in question, not yours or mine. First he claims Bush did 9/11, then he claims Obama’s an alien. Just curious how you feel about the guy’s credibility.

[quote][quote=“Mother Theresa”]Not much of a dialogue going on here, is there?[/quote]Yeah, you’re not answering any of my questions.
Why is that?[/quote]

I did answer your questions. All of them. So now would you care to respond to mine?

[tempogain]

Can we have the election now? Even Taiwan politics look good next to all of this at this point.

TC you gotta be kidding…