The Rise of Skywalker

Aw man. Haha. I’m a bit of a bandwagon film fan, but I get your sentiment!

Subscribe to Disney+! Lots of new scripted shows on the horizon :slightly_smiling_face:

Was a big part of my childhood. Action figures, I would make LEGO battle scenes, had light sabers, got all the games.

I am hoping the movie is better than the trailer, it is just the first one but it looks really boring to me. If it wasn’t Star Wars I wouldn’t even think to give it a chance until it’s free to stream from seeing that trailer. It just didn’t feel epic. It’s call Star Wars for F sake. How can you make it not look epic?

Teaser

I’m sure there’s way more to come!

Your talk about toys and LEGO reminds me, I’ve also had toy lightsabers as a kid (a blue one and a red one). And maybe a LEGO x-wing or millenium falcon. SW has definitely become very much a cultural touchstone.

Ok, I hope to see something more enticing. I still think JJ Abraham was not the right man for Star Wars. But I would be happy to see that I’m wrong on this one.

7 was better than 8, but that’s a low bar indeed.

FWIW, here are my rankings

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
and from here it gets rough
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones and Last Jedi are pulling up the rear for different reasons. Hard to decide which is worse, but I don’t want to sit through either ever again.
Didn’t see: Solo (I have a feeling it’d probably sit somewhere between Force Awakens and Phantom Menace though)

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Was by far the worst one for me. So bad a die hard Star Wars fan like myself who reads Star Wars universe books, cartoons, videos games, actually passed on the movie until Netflix. And I felt like I had to force myself to watch it and kept telling myself it’s not that bad to make it through. It was that bad.

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Same! Disney marketing dept better get to workin’

Honestly this one I could take or leave. You’re not missing a ton

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:rofl: :rofl:

Gold. :+1:

I really had to find postive things about it to block out the criticism. You know it’s bad when you tell yourself the Chewbacca costume looks really good.

On the other note.

So is Disney basically throwing us the wink wink that Rey is a skywalker?

And I’m really annoyed at the Rey and Finn dynamic. Are they a romantic couple or not? There’s not enough for me to root for them to be together, it doesn’t seem like a good fit now the story developed a bit more. But there’s still enough for me to not ignore there is something there.

I just hate that the new films seem like a checklist of when characters met or explaining trivia that doesn’t matter.

Eg: oh, this is how Han Solo got the name “Solo”!

Oh, this is how Han Solo got the Millennium Falcon! ‘Member that?

Oh, this is how Han and Lando met!

It’s so… non-organic and forced. I hate fan service so much. Tell a good story. Don’t just endlessly reference better movies that came out 30 or 40 years ago.

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They could be good if done right, but it feels forced here.

I’m also surprised Disney did not make any asian Jedi characters being so PC. You can’t tell me the concept of the force is not an exact copy of Taoism. And I mean exact when you look into Taoist philosophy and concepts that Star Wars uses. And you can’t tell me jedis are not just samurai, but in space. I’m surprised no one accused Star Wars of cultural appropriation in today’s age.

What bugs me, is when people reply to the tokenism criticism by saying “oh you’re racist/sexist, because you don’t like diversity in your SW films!”
NO, not at all! But do it in a natural way that doesn’t feel like you’re ticking boxes on a list. Lando and Leia, a strong black character and strong female character respectively, are examples of how to do that right. I also think the blind Asian Jedi in Rogue One was done right, due to the obvious Taoist connection to the Force, which is played up for him.
But the Last Jedi just seems cynical and forced in how they go about that, like Holdo, Rose, etc. aren’t compelling characters and felt like someone was checking boxes on a list.

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Oh Jesus. There must be a publication outlet for this kind of story. Didn’t Marvel do a “Cantina Tales” series of more whimsical, not necessarily in continuity stories?

Sooner or later I guess they’re going to do an “origin” movie (Star Wars Begins?) where they explain how humans from our future went through a time / space warp to the Galaxy Far, Far Away.

Wasn’t that basically the series finale of Battlestar Galactica, but in reverse?

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Might be the best sci fi show ever made imo. So sad some of the spin offs didn’t gain much traction.

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Interesting.

That’s a deep dive into Star Wars lore.

I know this probs won’t be a popular opinion, but tbh those two characters were the most token. Felt to me it was almost as if someone went “oh shit! gotta add a chick and a black guy” and thus they were born. Now, that’s not to say at this point they haven’t been developed into more than just one dimensional stereotypes, because clearly Leia and Lando turned out great. But yeah, that’s just how it was.

Ok, considering this.
Re: the new/younger characters, I don’t see how them looking like a “college brochure” or however you described it matters (side note: I’m not saying they do look like a college brochure, but even if they do – “Ok, and?”). In comparison to the characters that came before them, the main trio have been developed into pretty well-rounded characters over the last couple of movies (you get their motivations, you get their struggles, they have actual personalities and clear POVs). Whether the plot as a whole or the movie sucked (and it may very well be to some fans) is a separate matter.

I don’t have strong feelings for either of these characters. But I legit don’t think they’re “checking boxes” off a list, here’s why: Either of them are too auxiliary and perfunctory a character to matter… Or to even be on a list (sorry, Holdo and Rose fans!).

This character… Wouldn’t miss him if they replaced him. (Sorry, fans of this guy.)

This is basically my take too. Force Awakens was a good return but I get the criticism that it was too much like A New Hope. It just doesn’t bother me as much as it seems to others. And Last Jedi is a completely different take on the Universe, something fairly different, with 2 glaringly ridiculous moments (casino scene and Super Leia). Still dig them both overall.