Tibetan Buddhism is not Buddhism; Lamas are not Buddhists

To attain enlightenment is via prajna “wisdom”, not through sex; otherwise, any sentient being who knows about “the birds and the bees” has been enlightened. That is what the "Diamond Sutra"and the “Heart Sutra” all about, the two Sutras tell us the contents of the prajna wisdom. These are the basic teachings of Buddhism, definitely not sex, people do not have to come to Buddhism to learn sex. Language and words are very limited when they come to explain the concept of the true buddha-dharma. As the ancient Buddhist Zen patriarchs oftentimes stated, “I point with my finger to show you the moon up there, you should grasp the moon (truth), not my finger!”
We are so used to our living patterns, since we have been well trained from childhood already in order to cope with our whole life. But Buddhism is just the opposite, it teaches about death – the ultimate truth after death. That is why its terms and definitions are hard to understand by most people. (We live everyday, but we are not used to death, at least not yet in this life.)
The subjects of politics, freedom, economy, fame, peace, love, sex, and compassion etc., these are worldly routines, and there are enough experts for them. The teachings of Buddhism focus on matters beyond the three realms, which is called the prajna wisdom. Yet, the practices have to go through the worldly matters (certainly not through sex). That is why the Buddha manifested as a human on this earth.

you got to start reading and take a note of dates! first record for buddha’s teaching was written after 500 years of his death. in 500 years i am pretty sure words were not buddha’s but of the followers. humans have bad memory :smiley:
btw buddha was also a result of copulation between a male and female :sunglasses:

[quote=“Buddhism”]Yes, the Buddha did explicitly specify “No sex” for Buddhist monks and nuns.
The Buddha had already provided an explicit reply over the monastic discipline as early as two thousand five hundred years ago. The Buddha was asked once, “Can temples be allowed to have drawings as adornments to enhance their magnificence?” The Buddha replied: “Apart from portraits of the copulation of a male and female couple, all others are allowed.” This particular incident was recorded in “Ten Recitations Vinaya.”
The Couple-Practice Tantra of “Tibetan Buddhism” actually derived from Brahman Tantrism, a primitive religion which existed in a time period earlier than the true Buddhism preached by Buddha Sakyamuni in India.This primitive religion focused on the practices of reproduction worship and semen retention. When Buddhism enters its late period of what historians called “Tantric Buddhism,” Hindu Buddhism was infiltrated by the thought of Brahmanism Tantrism. The Monasteries and temples became eroticized. Then, there came the invasion of asceticism Islamic army. The Tantric monks started to compile the “Kalachakra Tantra” and finally led to the last battle of Shangri-La (Shambhala) to quell the rival’s vain hope. Today, this battle has become a myth of Tibetan Buddhism. At that time, some Tantric monks chose to exile abroad and spread the Couple-Practice Tantra to areas like Tibet, Mongolia, Qinghai, and Yunnan. Nowadays the same situation happens, the exiled Tibetan lamas spread the Couple-Practice Tantra to the western nations and the sexual scandals of lamas have become common in Europe and America. tantrismuskritik.blogspot.com/20 … f-urn.html[/quote]

[quote=“Buddhism”]Yes, the Buddha did explicitly specify “No sex” for Buddhist monks and nuns.
The Buddha had already provided an explicit reply over the monastic discipline as early as two thousand five hundred years ago. The Buddha was asked once, “Can temples be allowed to have drawings as adornments to enhance their magnificence?” The Buddha replied: “Apart from portraits of the copulation of a male and female couple, all others are allowed.” This particular incident was recorded in “Ten Recitations Vinaya.”
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Maybe I’m missing something, but I wouldn’t call that “explicit.”

When the Buddha attained his unsurpassed perfect Buddhahood in this world, he recognized that the hardship and time period to reach Buddhahood is much too discouraging for most individuals in the three realms, that’s why there is a preliminary cultivation, the Liberation-Way (nirvana), which is obtainable for practitioners in a foreseeable lifetimes,
provided that the practitioners do have the right view and methods from a truly beneficial knowledgeable master.
Do you know anyone who does not have to face death?
Yes, the one who is able to break free from his (hers) karmic force of being reborn in the three (desire, form, formless) realms. That’s why such a cultivation method is called “liberation way.” Nevertheless, this is merely the level of Hinayana Buddhism (small vehicle).
When there is an entity which is not made to come into existence, does not belong to the three realms, exists primordially, and will never cease to exist either. It refers to the Buddha nature (Alaya vijnana) of every sentient being and is also the core essence of Buddhism. It is the origin of truth and eternity that the whole mankind is searching for. If an individual’s goal is not only set for one’s own nirvana, but to cultivate for the ultimate truth, that is called the Buddhahood-Way (also known as Mahayana Buddhism or the big vehicle). The genuine Buddha dharma is generally categorized into the Liberation-Way and the Buddhahood-Way, but the former is actually included in the latter. That is also the contents of the “Diamond Sutra” and the “Heart Sutra”, with which the Buddha elaborated on the characteristics of everyone’s Buddha nature (also known as Tathagatagarbha, Alaya vijnana).
p.s.: Thank you for your English skill, but I hope you are still able to read and understand my meaning.


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@Buddhism:

I think you have not really established that Tantric practices are widely practiced in Tibetan Buddhism, nor that, when they are, that is against the words of Siddharta Gautama, as opposed to those of his followers hundreds or thousands of years later; nor that it is against the wishes of the females involved or involves coercion of manipulation, in most cases. Hence, warning people to watch out for sexual abuse is ridiculous. Those signs near Yuanshan MRT are ridiculous and way over the top. They are definitely based on “Guru turf wars”, IMHO.

It is well known that Tibetan Buddhism is heavily influenced by pre-Buddhist religions in the area. However, this does not mean that it is not Buddhism. You could call it a hybridized form of it.

Calling Tantric Hinduism a primitive religion is very opinionated and not very lofty, in my view. You may not like the Tantric element, but Hinduism itself is very similar to Buddhism in some ways.Have you ever read the Bhagavad Gita? It’s an amazing book, definitely very sublime and quite similar to Buddhist thought.

More info:

(cogentbenger.com/docs/sexsca … rsblog.php)

Another piece:
The Dalai Lama reads the riot act
Saturday 25 October 2008 @ 08:28
Colin Goldner is next week in Linz as a guest. The Bavarian psychologist is regarded as the greatest critic of the German-speaking revered Dalai Lama. A discussion about Tibet and psycho-cults.

OÖN: practice harsh criticism of the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism. Why?

Goldner: I work for many years in a counseling and treatment center for cult victims and psycho cult. Our clients include those who have esoteric quacks have been fooled, but also the victims of Scientology or the established churches. In this respect, also, Buddhism, especially the Tibetan version, come into the focus of our attention.

OÖN: put women “His Holiness” and homophobic attitude before. On what basis?

Goldner: As in any other religion have also to report in Tibetan Buddhism, women do not. The important thing is: At the heart of Vajrayana Buddhism, as its leader, the Dalai Lama, doing business as the sexual abuse of young girls and women in the guise of tantric rituals. The claim that these rituals were performed only in visualized form, has long been disproved. The positions of the blatantly homophobic Dalai Lama has always provoked strong protest from leading gay and lesbian organizations. be highlighted at the urging of his U.S. publisher, these positions had from the manuscript of his book published in the millennium “Ethics for the New Millennium.”

OÖN: How do you explain the high approval ratings, the “god king” enjoys in the West?

Goldner: the world’s high regard in which enjoys “His Holiness” across all political and ideological camp, despite all the criticism that is raised against him for quite some time, completely unbroken. He still is regarded as symbol of peacefulness, kindness, and in infinite Weistum resting serenity. His pronouncements, no matter how trivial they are therefore regarded as the highest expression of knowledge. Such glorifying view of the Dalai Lama is pure projection, based on blatant ignorance of the actual connections.

OÖN: What aspirations of the West since put behind it?

Goldner: Hence the desire for reliable moral integrity, for a leader figure, the man - may have placed in complete confidence - as opposed to local politicians and dignitaries. Consistently hides anything that
could bring this ideal to burst. The more frenetic the applause, the flatter the phrases “His Holiness”, the more transparent his self-representation as a prince of peace, as a heroic champion of human rights and democratic principles. Even the nonsense from the mouth of the Dalai Lama remains unchallenged.

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I am surprised how some people decide to follow a religion without understanding it properly. :ponder:

@Buddhism:

The sources you give are highly biased and selective.

Colin Goldner has been attacked for his “biased and one-sided polemics”; the link you give mentions Zen masters as well as Tibetans exploiting female followers.

You have failed to take "the middle path"on this issue. You are highly biased. Do you or your group work for the PRC, or hope to open temples there?

You’re doing well guys, but if it’s going to start getting personal and/or political, please take care of your tone. Thanks. :slight_smile:

OK, I’ll try not to get personal.

But one context of this “anti-Tibetan Buddhism” thing could well be political. It’s a well-known fact that the PRC tries to discredit the Dalai Lama. Hence, I think it is legitimate to wonder if a given Buddhist organization in Taiwan that is also anti-Tibetan Buddhism - which the poster Buddhism is clearly a member of - has or hopes to have ties with the PRC.

The Buddha nature pre-exists before human languages and cultures and it does not belong to any of the mundane phenomena; it is without any form or appearance. If we try with our limited words to describe the nature of ultimate reality, it sounds too philosophic. That is exactly what the Buddha tried to depict the mental entity or the nature characteristic of the Alaya vijnana to all Buddhists in the “Heart Sutra” - “Neither arising nor ceasing, and neither increasing nor decreasing; form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.” In Buddhist term, it is known as the Middle-Way truth. Because the Buddha nature is not created, it will never cease to exist; it does not fit in our usual daily two extremes (relativity), it is the Truth. Most importantly, the Alaya vijnana does have its own functional distinctions beyond the three realms. It seems empty in this material world, yet, it possesses its emptiness-nature. The Liberation-Way (Hinayana) saints do not comprehend or realize the emptiness-nature of true reality in all dharmas. The Buddhahood-Way practitioners not only realize the emptiness of person by cultivating and realizing the emptiness-appearance of all dharmas, they further cultivate the true reality of prajna and aim to realize the eighth vijnana so that their prajna wisdom can arise.
As mentioned earlier, language and words are very limited when we come to explain Buddhist true meaning, because the teachings are meant for departing from the mundane world while all beings in the desire realm are well trained for attachments and grasping and fall to worldly etiquette. It is only natural that Buddhist followers might misinterpret the true meanings.
As I have stated from the beginning, it’s purely religious discussions about the Ultimate Truth, and the subject is beyond worldly fame, power, sex, love, politic, etc., most of all, only the very few blessed ones, who are connected with the Buddha in the past lives are able to witness the true Buddha-Dharma. Thank you for reading.

Well, you may have swallowed the line that buddhism is beyond politics, but you can be damn sure that somewhere, in places that actually make decisions about things that matter, there have been political manoeuverings and political considerations.

There are inevitably a great deal of political decisions and manipulations in buddhism, as in all religions. Buddhism is a human creation, just like any other, and everything made by humans is touched by politics, regardless of whether you personally are aware of it or not.

Yes that’s legitimate, and you’re making your point perfectly well. :thumbsup:

Good statement of my upstairs Urodacus, that is the true Buddhist attitude. What you have mentioned is included in the first round of the dharma transmission, the Liberation-Way, during which the Buddha expounded the Four Agama Sutras: whatever is created is impermanent, and it refers to all existence within the three realms, including religion, the Earth, all dealings, and all beings etc. Decision making by the conscious mind (politic, money, love, sex, etc.) is daily business, and the conscious mind is ever changeable and unreliable and is the greatest obstacle for cultivation, yet it plays one of the most important role in practicing Buddhism in human life, as a tool to reach the ultimate reality. As I mentioned earlier, we use the finger to point out where the moon is, the same as we communicate through using languages and writings. We make use of our human life to get to the truth; the truth does not get involved in politic or compassion or freedom, but it’s the persons who are doing it. Theoretically, dedicated Buddhists have not enough time to observe and study the dharms, let alone spare time to get involved in worldly affairs.
Buddhism is neither a philosophy by itself, nor an academic research system. It is a matter of actual realization. In other words, the buddha-dharmas are the Buddha’s personal experiences that are feasible for Buddhists to carry out. That is to say “enlightenment” is viable and is to be personally realized accordingly. True Buddhist cultivation cannot be successfully achieved through induction, imagination, or visualization by our conscious mind. It needs realization in person to attain enlightenment.
Please rearrange in your own mind and piece all the info together like a jigsaw puzzle because these are all interlinked. Take some time to digest, but do not get stuck with the finger itself.

I don’t understand why Big John mentioned words " Work for PRC", we are talking about what Buddhism from Original Teacher Buddha Sakyamuni, aren’t we?

Big John’s comment is expected considering how Mr/Ms Buddhism has been after Tibetian Buddhism. Any real Buddha follower will not point fingers on other religions or claim that his/her way is the best one. If someone is showing such behaviour, they are obviously inspired by political agenda, in this case PRC as most other countries are not openly interested in whats going on with Tibet.
As has been pointed out already, every single thing we know about Buddha, including the thoughts and re-births, has been written down by his followers. Followers are not Buddha. Buddha never tried to write down his thoughts or words or tried to make people follow him. Now thousand people claim to be reborn as Buddha and trying to start or continue their own religions. For they have nothing good to propose, they try to bring themselves up by pulling others down as Mr/Ms Buddhism is doing.

enlighten.org.tw/trueheart_en/2

Conventionally, the Buddhist communities never intended to comment on each other’s way of practice or propagation, but to purely explain its own stance. That is also one of the reasons why Tibetan Tantric Buddhism could beguile the whole world for more than one thousand years. And now we can see how Tibetan Tantric lamas have posed such a grave threat that the public project their negative impression of “Buddhism” onto orthodox Buddhist monastics!
In the history of ancient India, the rise of Tantrism was coupled with the downfall of orthodox Buddhism.

Half knowledge is worse than ignorance. --Thomas B. Macaulay

Tantrism is a well established branch of Hinduism, and one of the most difficult ones to practice. It has been around from Pre-Aryan era. No other religion but Buddhism is responsible for its downfall as different followers could not agree on one concept and decided to start their own lines of faith, every guru claiming to be re-born buddha. No-unity results in breakdown. Tantric Buddhism is one of the branches of your own religion. Complaining about them to the world is like you are complaining about your own religion.

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tantrismuskritik.blogspot.com/

Conventionally, the Buddhist communities never intended to comment on each other’s way of practice or propagation, but to purely explain its own stance. That is also one of the reasons why Tibetan Tantric Buddhism could beguile the whole world for more than one thousand years. And now we can see how Tibetan Tantric lamas have posed such a grave threat that the public project their negative impression of “Buddhism” onto orthodox Buddhist monastics!
In the history of ancient India, the rise of Tantrism was coupled with the downfall of orthodox Buddhism.[/quote]

As for the cultivation of the Liberation-Way (Hinayana Buddhism), its final goal is to break the bond of cause and effect in order to have the long cycle of births and deaths to come to an end and enter nirvana (arhat fruition). So the practitioners’ focus point shall be on the worldly physical body and mind, namely the five aggregates (skandhas), twelve sense-fields (ayatanas), and eighteen sense-realms (dhatavahs). The practitioners will contemplate on the worldly matters as of conditional arising and conditional cessation; in this way, they realize the emptiness manifestation of the mundane world.

@Buddhism:

Speaking of the mundane world: do you know which organization put up those signs near Yuanshan MRT?