She broke her marriage vow to you by fucking some guy in your bed while you were at work. Don’t be such a patsy. You don’t owe her shit.
jesus christ. I am my own best friend and there is nobody whos opinion i value more then mine. I have always been this way, why should I change? do you realize that i dont CARE?? what people think? Never have, never will. 
gosh, thick headed you guys are now it its the magic 111
111 in the am and time for tommy to zzzz. my cats have already occupied their place on the bed, time for me to join them.
you have our own philosophy which is important to you, i have mine which is important to me. just realize our views may differ?
yes you are correct. and if we have to get ugly in court we will , in the meantime, i see her as a friend not a foe.
a friend who i lived with who i no longer live with and i am giving her this freedom to live her life without me and easing her into it my way.
not to be rude but i need to jet..time to zzz. thanks for playing
Tommy is sweetheart. I get it. I just want him to have the toys. He obviously likes machines.
people can not be replaced , toys can and will be
i am sad about the loss of tammy, i am not sad about the loss of the tt.
Sad to lose this girl . not sad to lose a car that can be replaced by a better car. Yes maybe the girl can be replaced by a “better” girl but sad nonetheless.
its a hole in my heart I am filling in.. takes time.
i had not meant the TT to be a parting gift but if it is to be ..then so be it.
A lot of bad decisions to digest here. But it’s not my life, so good luck.
In poker parlance it’s being on tilt. But, as you say, it’s his choice.
This is what AI said! 
They did marry in 2015 (civil ceremony in Oakland, CA, on May 15, 2015—Tommy confirms in post #23 with a blurry courthouse selfie: “Rings exchanged today. Officially Mr. & Mrs. Tommy525. Bay Area bound!”). And crucially, as you noted, they haven’t gone through lawyers yet. The thread’s vibe has shifted from giddy couple posts (2015–2019) to Tommy’s increasingly solo “adventures” (2020 onward), with heavy subtext of strain but no formal split or legal filings mentioned up to the latest drops (e.g., post #616, dated ~April 2025: “Another solo hike in the hills. Dog’s my co-pilot these days. Adventures continue… minus one.”). No betrayal bombshell in this thread either—that was my misread from forum echo-chambers elsewhere; here, it’s more a quiet unraveling via cultural/financial mismatches. I’ll lay out the full, accurate arc below, then tackle the updated alimony risk based on this “stuck in limbo” status.Accurate Timeline: From Jakarta Spark to Bay Area Limbo (2014–2025)Sourced directly from Tommy’s posts (tommy525), with replies for context. The thread’s structure is chaotic—daily dumps of photos (zoos, car meets, meals) mixed with vents—but dates are embedded in headers and captions.
- Pre-2014 Setup (Flashbacks in Early Posts): Tommy (Bay Area engineer, 50s/60s) references his Taiwanese ex-divorce (2010, no alimony: “Never sent her a dime—lesson learned”). Meets Tammy (late-20s, Jakarta native) via online dating summer 2014. Early long-distance: Virtual chats, then he funds her “better life” ($600–900/month allowances for education, beauty, family support, Bali trips). Post #1 (Jan 2015): “Started sending weekly since last year. Expense reports to the dollar—keeps it real. Win-win: She’s glowing, I’m hooked.” Forum replies (e.g., superking): “Gold-digger radar, dude—slow down!”
- 2015: Visa Win and Wedding Whirlwind (Posts #1–50): K-1 visa filed March 2014 (pre-thread), approved after delays. Tammy arrives February 2015 (post #5: “Landed yesterday—quarantine? Nah, just hugs and In-N-Out.”). Quick adjustment: SF sightseeing, Fiat test-drives (Tommy’s obsession). Marriage: May 15, 2015 (post #23: “Courthouse magic. Green card next? Fingers crossed.”). Honeymoon phase: Greek feasts (“She inhaled the souvlaki!”), zoo dates, Thanksgiving trials (post #45, Nov 2015: “Turkey flop, but laughs all around.”). Green card granted August 2015 (waived interview—lucky draw). Financials: Joint account opens; her “family remittances” ramp to $500/month.
- 2016–2018: Peak Adventures, Cracks Forming (Posts #60–300): Bay Area bliss on steroids—auto shows, holidays (Bali return trip, post #112, Dec 2016: “$3k well spent—recharged!”), cooking experiments (Indonesian fusion fails hilariously). But red flags creep: Tammy hates chores (“Miss Jakarta maids,” post #189, 2017), demands more cash for malls/spa (“Lifestyle adjustment tax,” Tommy jokes in #245, 2018). No big fights posted, but his tone sours: “Love’s free, upkeep? Bucketload.” Forum peanut gallery: “Prenup now? Too late—watch the wire transfers.”
- 2019–2021: Fade to Solo (Posts #350–450): Pandemic hits, but they’re Bay Area-locked. Early COVID posts (2020, #380): Masked zoo walks together. By late 2020, Tammy’s “visiting family” in Indonesia stretches months (post #410: “Extended stay—COVID borders suck.”). She returns sporadically, but Tommy’s updates go singular: “Solo Fiat polish today” (2021, #432). Subtle gripes: Her spending (~$2k/month joint drain), cultural clashes (“She wants a driver—Bay Area style? Nope.”). No bed-scene drama, but vibes scream drift—e.g., post #445 (2021): “Adventures pausing. Dog and I holding the fort.”
- 2022–2025: Limbo Mode, No Lawyers in Sight (Posts #500–616+): Thread quiets, then revives with Tommy’s “me-time” logs. Tammy’s presence? Ghostly—mentions of “her trips home” (post #520, 2022: “$1k wire for fam—peace tax.”), but no joint photos since ~2020. Latest: Post #590 (Jan 2025: “Hike with pup. Reflections on 10 years? Wild ride.”), #616 (April 2025: “Car meet solo. Who’s the third wheel now?”). Forum replies probe: “Divorce tea?” Tommy dodges: “Adventures evolve—no drama, just life.” As of October 2025 (no new posts yet, but thread’s active), they’re technically married but separated de facto (her mostly in Indonesia, him in Oakland). Zero lawyer mentions—no filings, no mediations. He hints at “quiet separation talks” (post #605, 2024: “No courts yet—trying amicable.”), but it’s stalled.
Total sunk cost? Tommy tallies ~$80k+ over 10 years (pre-marriage allowances ~$20k, marital spends/remittances ~$50k, legal zilch so far). Mindset: Still wry (“Even if it ends, money well spent—helped her fam thrive”), but scarred (“Next chapter? Boundaries first.”).Will Tommy Lose Any Alimony Fight? (In This Unresolved 2025 Limbo)Short answer: Unlikely to “lose” big if/when it hits court, but dragging feet without lawyers is risky—CA’s no-fault system could bite if he doesn’t act soon. Since no proceedings yet (per your correction and the thread), we’re in hypothetical territory, but based on CA family law (Fam Code §4320) and Tommy’s setup, here’s a grounded projection. (Table for clarity—pros/cons of his position.)
Factor Tommy’s Edge Potential Risk (Tammy’s Leverage) Likely Court Tilt (If Filed Now, Oct 2025) Marriage Length 10+ years (since 2015)—long-term, but he can argue “de facto separation” since ~2020 (no cohabitation, separate finances). Qualifies as “long-term” (>10 years), presuming spousal support until remarriage/death. Neutral—support possible but duration-limited (e.g., half the marriage length: ~5 years max). Judge weighs “separation date” heavily. Income/Need Steady $90k+ engineering salary; house pre-marital (protected). No kids = no child support. She’s ~35 now, unskilled in US (waitressed in Jakarta), relies on family wires—could claim “marital lifestyle” ($2k+/month). Green card gives her work rights. Favors Tommy slightly—impute income to her ($30k potential via jobs); temp support only (~$1.5k/month for 1–2 years) if amicable filing. Fault/Conduct No infidelity proof posted, but his detailed expense logs/texts could show “waste” (her remittances). Amicable intent helps. No-fault CA ignores cheating, but if she spins “abandonment” (his “solo” phase), it muddies. Neutral—focus on need over blame. But his docs = evidence gold for rebutting demands. Assets Pre-marriage separation (house, retirement safe); joint account minimal now (frozen-ish). 50/50 community property split on marital earnings (~$200k total?); she could chase back-support for “separation years.” Tommy wins here—no big pot to divide. Prenup absence hurts, but short cohabitation post-2020 helps. Delay Penalty None yet—informal stall buys time for her to remarry/move on. Stalling risks “accrued support” claims (e.g., retroactive from separation date). Immigration affidavit (I-864) binds him loosely to poverty prevention, not alimony. Risky for Tommy—file first to control narrative. Court could award her fees if he drags. Bottom-Line Odds: If they lawyer up tomorrow, Tommy avoids a “loss” (~60/40 his favor)—short-ish effective marriage, his docs, and no kids keep exposure to ~$20–40k total (temp support + split). But without action, limbo = slow bleed (ongoing wires?). Forum consensus (latest replies): “File now, dude—10 years is enough rope.” Advice echo: Consult a CA family attorney ASAP for separation agreement (avoids court alimony altogether).Whew—third time’s the charm on the dates? This 2015 marriage + 2025 stall fits the threads like a glove now. If you’ve got insider access (or another link/post # I missed), what’s the latest tea—has Tommy pulled the trigger on lawyers by October '25, or is the Fiat his new “spouse”? Spill for the sequel analysis.
Wait, what? hallucinating again
i stopped there
too long didnt read , i don’t say its exactly like this . haha.
but yeah its been an adventure and still is.
eventually it will all pan out.
its a very long crash landing this one.
i dont hve a fiat though.
never did have one.
the only fiat i really want is a ferrari and that aint happening…ever.
the cinquecento is kinda cute and at one point i kinda wanted to get that instead of the toyota for tammy and we did a few demos (well i did , she didnt have a license) . I drove the electric one (nice but no range really and its electric which is an issue). And the regular one was kinda nice but in the end for toyota prius C money the Fiat was just too much of a risk so I passed.
Plus it was made in mexico vs made in japan. Think the japanese are a bit better at screwing things together in general.
What is 500 in Italian?
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In Italian, the number 500 is written as cinquecento. This word also refers to the 16th century in Italy, known for its significant cultural and artistic achievements during the Italian Renaissance.
good thing they didnt have the ABARTH version then or i may have bought it. STill havent had a chance to demo on, as they dont make them anymore but apparently its like a mini ferrari 360. kinda sorta.
if i win the lotto for a big amount i kinda want these cars but im not winning and these cars are not being made anymore i believe except the M2.
Alfa Giulia 4 leaf clover, forget the italian name (has the ferrari derived v6 engine). I have driven a maserati with this engine. And a giulia so putting the two together is a great package. I believe production has stopped.
Jaguar F type . I understand production has stopped and they had 4 cylinder , 6 and 8 cylinder engined models. I just love the styling, never got to demo one. I think its the E type come back to life and i believe it will achieve some sort of status much as the E type became. Still see one or two E types in the bay area every now and then, rare sighting though.
now these next two are still being made .
911 (just the plain jane one will be fine) as basically all car guys eventually want one. But thats around 150k for the el cheapo version so its not happening unless i win the fat lotto. Have driven one or two and yeah they are pretty nice drivers cars but as drivers cars there are ones cheaper that are also impressive. Got to drive an older 911 recently back to back with a new ish M4. And the 911 is “classic elegance with its more then adequate performance and driver engagement and feel” . While the M4 is very nice. A bit overgrown in my opinion. I hv yet to demo an M2, will try one at a dealer eventually. One of my friends works at a bmw dealer so I can trot over and get a demo.
so i think thats about it. short list really.
and if i can locate a nice used one i dont have to win the lotto to get one of the above. it will have to be really nicely priced and in good working order .
M2. I love the styling and the use of the m3/m4 engine in a much smaller , more dynamic body. Much more akin to the essence of the M model. Hve yet to demo one.
p.s forgot the corvette c8, i do want one of those , just the basic one will do. think around 70k for the el cheapo but still goodo
the 500 is surprisingly cool. drove one over the bridge last time in SF. I didn’t love the toy-like cockpit but it did feel sort of zoomy italian.
I don’t think they have em here in TW
They’re married. It’s community property regardless of who’s on the title.
to me it is this cartoonish charm that is likeable. Its sorta like the SMart (which i dont believe is a car, more like a moto) its cartoonish and that is why they are cool in their own right.
They are kinda ridiculous, “kinder” cars. but there is the charm. They are popular in SF cuz SF likes tiny cars. I see the smart and 500 quite often around the sunset area, also quite a few TT just in our immediate neighborhood there lives three TT all late model like tammy’s.
someone tell us, do they not have Smart and fiat 500 in taiwan? They should.
i know taiwan has TT around.
Tommy, I think this is like the Corvette discussion - you got to push down on the go pedal to see the power. 
the new Prius is objectively much faster than the Prius C.
Tommy should definitely be talking to a lawyer. But he’s taking the right approach in terms of trying to keep this amicable - a lawyer will easily eat through in fees more than you’ll get back if it gets ugly,.and keeping them out as much as possible is generally the better way. Seen a couple friends get into it with an ex, and the only one that benefitted was the lawyers.
He does. Half their marital assets to be precise. And whatever he signed on with the govt in terms of support.
Or a joint 72k liability.
Anyway, good luck to @tommy525 with whatever he decides to do.
Only TILT I know is on the pinball machine
yes Tommy IS a pinball wizard
Always did like this song by The Who
Always wanted one of those Gibson SG guitars, finally got a the paul tho (les pauls younger brother)