TSMC announces US semiconductor fab plans (May 2020)

No they’re not, this is one of the dumbest things they’ve ever done. The US is leaving Taiwan high and dry regardless of what they do, so why hand over a huge chunk of leverage to a country that will give absolutely nothing in return. Trump still isn’t going to come to Taiwan’s aid if China attacks. So you’ve just given up leverage for no reason. Awful move.

Taiwan have said they expect 2nm chips to being US production in 2028.

Nice. :+1:

And that is not this news. That’s the old Biden stuff. 2nm will go to risk production later this year in Taiwan.

It doesn’t matter whether it’s the most advanced stuff or not. Taiwan is giving the US the means to make chips in their country that it can’t make otherwise. That’s leverage thats being given away for nothing in return.

Well. Tell that to Canada and Ukraine. Trump’s a bully. You either stay under the radar, fight back or get bullied. It sucks but there isn’t a 4th option here.

China is a the much bigger bully. Taiwan is giving up chip leverage to the smaller bully far away while ignoring the huge bully next door.

Thank you for this, I was so confused :joy:

True. But the bully next door isn’t satisfied as easily either. Nothing short of unification will quench their thirst. Investing a bit overseas is nothing in comparison.

Putting those factories in USA seems very stupid from a geopolitcal sense. Once the US based factories are up and running, the Taiwan based tsmc factories wil be regarded as rivals or even a threat to US national security.
It means US has a incentive to provoke a war where Taiwan based factories would be destroyed - leaving the USA as sole producer of advanced chips - able to charge any price.

Again that’s not how semiconductors work. Any fab is old news within 2 years and the chips are more or less a commodity after 6 years.

I thought they were just going to add on to the existing site in Pheonix?

Asked by Taiwan People’s Party lawmaker Chang Chi-kai (張啓楷) if TSMC would allow its most advanced technologies, the yet-to-be-released 2 nanometer and 1.6 nm processes, go to the U.S. in the near term, Kuo flatly denied it.

Taiwan government officials have previously said the company would launch the 2 nm process in the United States “more or less” in 2028.

Maybe Gou should run TSMC till Trump leaves office.

That’s not the point. The point is that leverage is still being given away for absolutely nothing in return, as the US is still being given the ability to make chips they were unable to make before. Doesn’t matter if they’re the most advanced ones or not. It’s a terrible direction to be heading down.

No

Apart from the need to understand things like R&D, cost, trade secrets, operational efficiency, industry clustering, continual process improvement , new technology introduction , macro competitive environment , staffing lol.

Hmmm. Intel breakup coming?

Dear god please give us a time machine and make Mr Oyster’s prediction happen.

Guy

Agreed. It’s obvious.

Also obvious tech is advancing lightning speed, so it’s not about 2-4nm. It’s about protecting our country with the o ly thing the world needs from us, outside of geography. But for those that give a fuck about taiwans long term future as a COUNTRY, this is a fucking retarded thing to do with ZERO benefit for our country. The irony is so ripe it’s beyond irritating to even listen to the US side brag about giving up on taiwan even further.

I’m not normally a big fan of government protection ism, but for us here in Taiwan it’s existential. And all without a single farauntee of protection. Since the first abandonment by the US of Taiwan towards China, j til jow. All their treaties, acts and otherwise do not explicitly describe ANY comitement to protecting Taiwan. We absolutely should give the US fuck all with proper security deals and protection, otherwise we just baragjan against the US [eg. Towards their pauedo enemies] until they fall in line. This is all too well known, it shouldn’t just be a cash grab and protect your own wall, we need global peace, not a walled garden like what the US is currently doing