US and Taiwan healthcare systems and taxation

Taiwan’s government-run healthcare systems works because there’s no parasitic lawyer lobby running a legal lottery on the back of the healthcare system and healthcare providers can’t charge sick, injured and dying patients anything they want. Those two conditions will unfortunately never be met in America’s crony socialism political system.

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Taiwan’s NHI system is on it’s last legs, forcing people to pay for something they don’t want and then using that money to pay for people who do want it but don’t want to pay for it is never going to work long term. Hopefully the proposal to increase the forced payment amounts next year and further reduce the available treatments will finally lead to rebellion and a fairer system.

What would be a fairer system?

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Would you mind sharing the data you saw that shows that a majority of Taiwanese people don’t want NHI and/or would prefer a different system? Despite its problems, the current system seems like a bargain to me and pretty “fair”, so would be curious for more info.

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Everyone pay for their own.

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That’s your statement not mine, you share the data.

I’m guessing you’re single without children, and/or on a lower income. When you’re forced to pay more than private insurance would cost you and get far less for your contribution than private insurance would give you then tell me how “fair” the system is.

US style? The country that spends more per person on healthcare yet provides very little to its citizens? The same system that gives Americans a crap deal compared to other countries? That has to be one of the dumbest replies I have received so far.

Well Mr Chen. You need this $3 million NT medicine. Or you’ll die. What? Banks turned you down due to your age? Whoops! Sorry! Guess you’ll have to die.

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it is the same with that progressive taxation is fair, I guess.

You said “US style”, not me. There are quite a few other countries on this planet, although US citizen find it hard to see around their blinkers.

LOL, it’s your reply so I won’t disagree with you.

Who do you think should pay for Mr Chen’s $3 million NT medicine?

Taxation is not fair, whatever gave you that idea?

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actually it is a flat rate. And, taxation is considered to be fair, by some way.

What is a flat rate?

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premium of nhi
It is calculated by the same rate. Not progressive like US tax. And, for people who earn more than a certain amount, It is regressive.

LOL, no its not.

If you’ve paid attention. I’m not American. I’m Italian Canadian. @Hanna can testify.

When you pay for private health insurance, healthy people subsidise the frail. That is how a public health insurance scheme is supposed to be run. Healthy people keep it afloat with cash. Everyone gets old or frail and dies eventually. When you need it. Its available to you at anytime anyplace. There is a reason why most developed countries use a universal government run or regulated system…because it works.

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I don’t have that data, because I don’t think it exists.

It seemed to be implied by what you wrote though. That’s why I asked. I was just trying to determine whether it was anecdotal or you were totally making it up, i.e., what level of disregard I should attribute to your surprising statement that people don’t want it.

Single without children, yes. A fair bit above the average income for locals or foreigners living here, I suppose. Not 100% keen on paying extra for someone else’s partner and kids (it seems to me the bulk of that burden should be on the person choosing to procreate and make those life decisions, i.e., you in this case)…but I also wouldn’t object to paying, say, a couple of times more if that’s what was necessary to keep the system sustainable for everyone.

Seems a bit of a dick move to hope that the system fails though, tbh.

If you do come across that data to support your point, by the way, please feel free to provide it. :kissing_heart:

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it is, as I explained in the previous post. It is not a flat fee, but flat rate.

I neither knew nor cared!

There’s an enormous difference, one is voluntary the other is not.

Which country is it working in?

It wasn’t.

You think that 100% of people want it?

Your objections or not won’t matter, if you wish to continue to live and work here you will be forced to pay whatever is decided.

A dick move to hope it’s replaced by a fairer system? I suppose, if like you my contributions were small I might be happy to see the current system continue.

The point you made? As before, feel free to share the data.

Which post?