Violent protestors storm US capitol building

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Things taking a different turn here. Careful, this is starting to sound like an identity-politics preoccupied Gender Studies course instead of a discussion about violent protestors storming the Capitol. Staring into abyss, stares back at you etc etc

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1846

OMG go awayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy with your humorless bullshit.

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1847

reflection: i suggest you try it some time
(I’m deep, like, bottomless, baby)

i get a lot of humour from his posts

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1848

Maddow did the Tucker defense if that is what you were wondering.

Edit, That should have been in reply to Mups not Jdsmith

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1849

If you don’t agree there’s a difference between someone who does talk facts and someone to admits to a court they play a character on TV, you’re a fascinating individual to be sure!

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It’s pretty obvious Carlson is paid to lie in a very cynical way. This is not true of Maddow. It’s hard to compare the two with a straight face.

Wouldn’t the RW feel better about themselves if they just governed reasonably and fairly, instead of having to make all these false equivalence based comparisons just to save face all the time? It must be fatiguing.

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She’s saying the specific opinion she gave is rhetorical hyperbole, not that she exists as a character on TV nobody reasonable would take seriously.

While I’ve said many times I’m not a fan of hers because she shows her bias, you need to pay a little more attention to details, you tend to like to brush paint too eagerly, from my observations.

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As I’ve said before, they need to use these media devices to win, because they know they can’t do it on argument and policy alone.

They would definitely feel better if they acted in good faith and won that way, but I suspect they’ve never had that feeling of satisfaction in life before.

It’s quite the symbiotic relationship and ultimate grift
right wing media grifters say stuff the right wing politicians can quote and hold up as evidence, then the attention they get from said politicians gets them book sales. etc.

And as an added bonus anyone who consumes them is part of their ‘team’, and promotes their work for free in social media!

If you’re a fan of personal responsibility, you gotta blame those who act as their consumers for their existence.

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I am OK with the inadvertent @ing.

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The savagery of the attack is set out in the filings

“The insurrectionists were throwing items, and striking Officer Blassingame and the other USCP officers with their fists and weapons,” according to the suit, led by D.C.-based attorney Patrick Malone. “Among the weapons Officer Blassingame could see were flagpoles like those he had seen on D Street early in the morning; water bottles; bottles of other unknown liquids; parts of signs they were ripping from the walls of the Crypt and hallway; and flags, flagpoles, and rope-line posts that had been taken from the Crypt and other parts of the Capitol building.”

“Then a forceful surge of insurrectionists pushed forward and slammed Officer Blassingame against a stone column. He struck his spine and the back of his head and was unable to move,” the suit continues. “For the first time in his life, people were yelling into his face, calling him a [n——] repeatedly and throughout the attack in the Crypt. He lost count of the many times the racial slur was hurled at him.”

“Officer Hemby was attacked relentlessly. He was bleeding from a cut located less than an inch from his eye. He had cuts and abrasions on his face and hands and his body was pinned against a large metal door, fending off attacks,” according to the suit. “His primary focus was to survive and simply get home.”

Hemby, per the suit, couldn’t get medical attention until 9 p.m. that night.

“As a result of the attack, Officer Hemby’s left hand and left knee became swollen and painful. He was sprayed in the face and body with chemical sprays. His back and neck ached, and his skin burned,” he alleges. “Officer Hemby is under the care or an orthopedic medical specialist and receives physical therapy two to three days per week for his neck and back. He continues to sleep poorly and feels hyper-aware and on high alert during his waking hours.”

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I wonder if Trump will pull out the sarcasm defence on this one, too.

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https://twitter.com/JonathanTurley/status/1377245650505641991

For example, the complaint alleges “Trump aided and abetted his followers’ assault and battery on James Blassingame and Sidney Hemby through his suggestive words and encouragement leading up to and on January 6, 2021, which were spoken from his position of authority and gave his message extra weight.” Imagine what would happen to free speech in the United States if people could be sued for their “suggestive words and encouragement” for third parties who later violate the law.

I wonder how many celebrities journalists and politicians would be up for being sued under the same standard of “suggestive words and encouragement” prior to 6 months of rioting, attacks and killing dozens of people, billions in damages and businesses wrecked.

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1377323773511278600

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Apologies for lateness, but I just wanted to post some stuff in case no one has addressed the “Viking” phenomenon:

–From Wikimedia (linked below, with photograph; in the above quote, the bracketed words are mine)

I guess some people still maintain this tradition:

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Update on the fate of the violent protesters who stormed the capitol building and put their feet up on tables. While the only known intentional killing of anyone Ashly Babbit whose killing the coroner just ruled was homicide, except we don’t know the name of the person who killed her.

So after Legislatures took the the floor and compared this event to Pearl Harbour and the FBI put up it’s most wanted list and tracked peoples movement by use of cell phone tracking many of the protesters are in jail and seem to getting targeted by prison guards for beatings, with one guy.

“Myself and others involved in the Jan. 6 incident are scared for their lives, not from each other but from correctional officers,” Sandlin said during a bail hearing conducted by video before U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich. “I don’t understand how this is remotely acceptable,” he added, saying he was being subjected to “mental torture.”

In an unusual direct plea to the judge, Sandlin said another Capitol riot defendant, Ryan Samsel, “was severely beaten by correctional officers, [is now] blind in one eye, has a skull fracture and detached retina.”

Just wondering at what point people who may despise these protesters start to say, this is unacceptable. The article also notes.

Last night, Tucker Carlson did an extended monologue about this and noted that the two girls who just killed someone in a DC carjacking will probably see less jail time:

No doubt, got to make an example out of them.

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Traitors to the state haven’t been treated well in prison situations, historically.

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I prefer to just call them terrorists. Did you see John Boehner’s take?

“[Trump] incited that bloody insurrection for nothing more than selfish reasons, perpetuated by the bulls— he’d been shoveling since he lost a fair election the previous November,” Boehner writes. “He claimed voter fraud without any evidence, and repeated those claims, taking advantage of the trust placed in him by his supporters and ultimately betraying that trust.”\

Boehner reportedly writes that it was “painful” to watch Trump refuse to accept the results of the election, which ultimately “not only cost Republicans the Senate but led to mob violence.”

:sweat_smile:

But Boehner also says it didn’t “surprise me in the least” to see some of the Republican lawmakers who backed Trump’s efforts to overturn the election, and the “legislative terrorism that I’d witnessed as speaker had now encouraged actual terrorism.” He calls on the GOP to “take back control” from “garden-variety whack jobs” and “insurrectionists.”

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It seems you have lost any sort of propriety at all, they were targeted for beatings and in the one case beaten so badly had their scull fractured and retina of the eye detached.

“A society should be judged not by how it treats its outstanding citizens but by how it treats its criminals.”

― Fyodor Dostoyevsky

China recently spat in the US face at a meeting where they compared American democracy to Chinese democracy which is to say, neither really have a democracy they have authoritarian rule, just different ways of administering it, I think they may have a point.

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While it’s wrong if it actually happened, I wouldn’t be so quick to believe terrorists.

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Ok, so that is where you draw the line, it’s ok to draw up lists of Trump supporters and ok to try target them and try to ruin their lives and get them fired. But if they are being locked up for breaking the law its not ok to periodically drag them out of their cell and subject them to brutal beatings which result in skull fractures and blindness, that would be “wrong”, ok, thanks for the input @mups duly noted.

How are the US going to look Russia or China in the eye and give any lecture on how to treat political dissidents when this is how they treat their own political dissidents.

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I didn’t say I am happy about it happening or seek that as an outcome. I said traitors to the state have not been historically well treated in prison situations.

For example, “punishment in the time of Tiberius was death (usually by beheading) and confiscation of property, coupled with complete civil disability. A traitor could not make a will or a gift. Even the death of the accused, if guilty of treason of the gravest kind, such as levying war against the state, did not extinguish the charge, but the memory of the deceased became infamous, and his property was forfeited as though he had been convicted in his lifetime.”