Maybe, but it’s like that the good and bad will even out
Perhaps, but the negatives will likely outweigh the positives
No way. Are you forgetting they’re Communists?!
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Forget historical claims.
Forget old treaties, lines of succession, and whether or not Taiwan is independent currently in whatever sense you want to define it.
Concentrate on this:
Taiwan currently has its own government, administration, law, and economy.
Mainland China wants Taiwan to reunify, some people in Taiwan want Taiwan to declare independence and have it recognized by the world.
Now, ignore the threats of war. Assume that whatever solution comes about will result in peace across the straits, domestic security, and international approbation.
Answer this:
What is in it for Taiwan (not China) to be ruled by the People’s Republic of China?
What would be in it for Taiwan to be an autonomous region of China?
What would be in it for Taiwan to be an independent, recognized nation?
what does china have to offer taiwan? why not ask the 4% of the TOTAL taiwanese population currently working/residing in the PRC? not much besides a guarantee of being the ownership class instead of the working class.
What does mainland China have to offer Taiwan?
All of mainland China, for one. That is easily forgotten when T.I.ers keep using the “takeover” mentality. It’s not one side taking over the other.
Anyway I wouldn’t be as proud if my nationality was associated with one of the most violent and aggressive governments in recent history. Maybe if China got itself into a advanced developing economy status I might consider it, but even at that it has a long way to go. There is no advantage in scrapping my currency etc for China’s.
Honestly the status quo seems good enough. Taiwan gets a huge trade surplus, we keep the cheap labor in China employing tens of thousands of Chinese and in return we also are able to employ lots of Taiwanese to oversee them. Its so far a win win situation economically.
Xinhua says that the top 3 export companies in China are partly Taiwanese owned. My family also owning an export company certainly agrees that its been profitable for the Taiwanese.
Whats the rush to unify? Also, China is a SOCIALIST country, not a COMMUNIST country despite the misnomer.
Hmmm…this will come as news to the CCP.
Seems they have worked long and hard in establiching their dominance.
Another good explanation is available at → Chinese Communist Party.
Yeah, why don’t you tell us what happened? Is this supposed to be some brainless memetic talking point? There was a HK thread somewhere here. You better do your braindump there.
Then you should renounce your dual US citizenship.
Word is they are working on it. It doesn’t happen in a day.
China offers a more powerful/useful form of currency
China offers deeper ties to the past and history
China offers inclusion in an increasingly healthy market
Are these legitimate benefits? Will being part of China actually bring these, and could they get the same benefits while independent?
Let me add a couple more for discussion:
4. China offers more political strength and international strength for passport holders than Taiwan can have if independent.
5. China offers military security in excess of what it would have it were independent.
China offers military security in excess of what Taiwan would have on its own.
My question: whom would Taiwan need that kind of security against? The only threat comes from China. There’s no danger from Japan, US, South Korea, the Philippines … Those are all democracies, they’re no threat to Taiwan.
As for unification, nobody - not even the KMT-PFP - is for unification with the present, Communist-ruled China. Lian & co’s unification is with an eventual future democratic China - if communism collapsed in eastern Europe, it could in China too.
I think unification KMT-style is a valid choice for a democratic society to make, even though I don’t share it for the following reason: a democratic island of 23 million joining a democratic country of 1 billion-plus would still turn into a small outback province.
Just like as if i were a national of some miniature state in the Caribbean or Europe, I would be against joining some much larger state in the hood. Bigger is not always beautiful.
The main element drawing Taiwan closer to China is economic benefit, but you don’t need unification to profit from a booming economy.
So, in the poll, I chose the last option, but I don’t oppose eventual unification with a democratic China in a distant future. It’s up to the people of Taiwan to decide, and I think they will vote no.
The U.S.A. and Japan are nations in stagnation and decline, former empires crumbling apart from internal structural defecencies and decadence. China is ascendant and replacing the imperial powers, throwing off the yoke of foreign domination and taking its proper, historical place as the center from which all of Asia radiates and pays obiescence. Taiwan can either go up with China or go down with its allies of convenience Japan and the U.S.A.
The choice is up to you, Taiwanese. Hitch your fortunes to the Past or the Future?
I doubt even the most die-hard pan-blue sell-out would claim that Taiwan faces any military threat save for the PRC.
As enzo+ pointed out, being incorporated into something bigger is not necessarily better.[/quote]
Just because you don’t face a threat now doesn’t mean you won’t later. A more powerful military is a real benefit, I’d say.
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Just because you don’t face a threat now doesn’t mean you won’t later. A more powerful military is a real benefit, I’d say.[/quote]Then ask your pan-blue buddies to quit blocking the arms purchases, and Taiwan will have a more powerful military, it’s own.
A powerful military umbrella provided by a foreign power sounds like a nice idea, until it’s used to deny you your political and human rights.
