May I ask what are her views of all Americans?
Guy
May I ask what are her views of all Americans?
Guy
Why do you insist on putting words into othersâ mouths?
What part of brutal and corrupt do you fail to understand?
Where did I mention a track record?
My point was that many, especially foreigners and those in the youngest generation, see things as black and white though things are usually gray.
Iâd rather look at the whole puzzle rather than an individual piece.
She sees America and Americans thru rose-colored glasses. I take full advantage of it.
You said he âbuilt up the island pretty well.â
I am sorry, I donât think that is consistent with CKSâs track record. I have no idea what historical sources (other than KMT hagiography) you are following.
Guy
As others have said, he stabilized the currency, presided over the Taiwan Miracle, built the highways, supported the Uyghurs and womenâs rights, etc.
In the face of communist aggression a degree of control and brutality was probably necessary. It sucks and definitely went too far, but thatâs how the world was/is.
To state he didnât have a hand in turning Taiwan into what it is today is ludicrous.
Are you confusing CKS with his son?
Guy
Exactly when do you think the foundations were laid?
Who started Taiwanâs export economy?
The Land Reform Act?
That is exactly the point.
The key infrastructure that led to Taiwanâs take off in the 1920s and 1930s was a joint effort of the people of Taiwan and Japanese colonial administration.
CKS presided (1945-1975) over the stripping down and impoverishment of this place. Who in Taiwan other than KMT ideologues think of that period as the golden era? It wasnât. Those are arguable some of the worst time in the history of this island.
The so-called âTaiwan miracleâ you referenced was an invention of the west. Social scientists that came to talk to actual Taiwan people during that time learned that they felt Taiwan was just catching up to where they used to be in the 1930s. And that is one answer the question posed in the name of this thread: âWhy do Taiwanese people love Japan so muchâ?
My source is Bruce Cumings, the eminent historian at the University of Chicago. Who is your source to give this credit to CKS?
Guy
I read many sources. Perhaps thatâs your problem.
So no named credible sources.
Forumosans can decide for themselves.
Bye for now!
Guy
In the 30s Taiwan was exporting about half of their agricultural output, but efforts to expand into other sectors failed, likely because of the war.
After the war, KMT efforts were successful.
I donât see how anyone can dispute this
Nevermind asking people how they âfeelâ is not a good way to assess where they are at, I have never heard in my family lore anything about getting poorer under CKS.
They donât look at the past. The government change.
There is a difference between CKS ie cash my check ie ol peanut head
And his son CCK who was educated in Russia and had a Russian wife who was instrumental in allowing Taiwan to head on the road to a two party country
And set in place at lest ten major projects
CKS succeeded in conning the USA out of taiwan and departing China with all its gold and its top treasures
CCK helped more to build the country
But if CKS had chosen hainan island todays taiwan would be hainan and perhaps taiwan given back to Japan as was Okinawa
The USA as conquering power legally owns taiwan
Was Chiang Kai-shek really worse than Imperial Japan?
Yes. CKS was also a major Hitler fan boy.
Not very constructive man, 1945 isnt that long ago⌠I have quite a few family members that lived through that time period and told me stories of how it went. You dont need academic sources for sharing such experiences.
Not very constructive man, 1945 isnt that long ago
So . . . do they view that time as the good old days?
And if not, then well then weâre actually in agreement.
Guy
Iâm not focused on agreeing/disagreeing, just that I find âno sourcesâ = âbyeâ is not very cool.
I enjoyed reading everyoneâs thoughts on this matter.
If I am a bit terse, it may be because I am tired of the old CKS hagiography. The guy was presented as a hero in dictatorship-era education and media (an era that extended for the entirety of his rule over Taiwan). Iâm not especially fond of having that kind of narrative repeated without question, especially as we now have access to tons more materials and an open society in which to discuss things, including such âgreat leaderâ narratives.
Guy
Yes. CKS was also a major Hitler fan boy.
He thought that Hitler and Mussolini did some good things for their nationsâ economies, but he opposed them.