I support this in spirit (as long as PRC nationals are excluded) but Idk why Taiwan should be held to a different, higher standard relative to other countries. How often do you see non-Japanese, non-Koreans, non-Singaporeans who have Japanese, Korean or Singaporean citizenships?
Technically you all can apply for dual citizenship. You just don’t want to give up your original citizenship.
This does not include PRC nationals as they do not renounce and cannot hold dual PRC ROC HHR at the same time.
There’s still the other point though — how many Vietnamese and Philippine APRC holders are there?
Or put another way, what proportion of Vietnamese and Philippine citizens living here have a realistic chance of getting an APRC? For any of them who don’t, which I think is the vast majority, I’m not surprised if they don’t give a toss about the petition, especially if they can anyway resume like you say.
The same ones that naturalized could all have had an APRC. So around 150,000.
As I wrote I met some naturalized people from Vietnam at the airport the other day. It’s not that they don’t give a toss, they had never heard of the petition. Our conversation was in Chinese not English. Also any Philippino married to an ROC citizen is here first on an JFRV which they can change to APRC, or naturalize. There are lots of ARC applications for this. TECO Manila has advised Phiippinos there are many applying so processing times are not as fast as before.
The question doesn’t make sense, strictly speaking. I assume you mean non-ethnic Japanese, non-ethnic Koreans, and so on? 
To be clearer then, the ones who didn’t get it through marrying a Taiwanese citizen.
Talk about looking down on people!
Thousands of Filipinos teach English as white collar professionals. And many of them here on JFRVs who choose to naturalize too.
Many Vietnamese brides/husbands who can get APRC but choose to naturalize and resume.
There are far more of them than there are Americans/Canadians who cannot resume.
Many Vietnamese work here as white collar professionals.
The main source of white collar workers in Taiwan are Japan and Thailand.
The thing is these people don’t hang around your western communities @Andrew thats why they’re invisible to you.
Don’t give me that BS. 
It’s not about looking down on people, at least on my part. It’s the reality for the majority of Vietnamese and Philippine citizens living here, which if you’re not trying be deliberately misleading I’m sure you already know.
Yeah, I’m done talking to you again with these comments. Sick of your ignorance tbh.
Well here’s the “reality”
We’re not talking about contract migrant workers
Here is the Filipino teachers in Taiwan group. Over 20,000
What else would I mean?
The reality is you want the perks but don’t want to make the sacrifices (aka giving up your original citizenship). That is just a fact. You would have Taiwanese citizenship instantly if you are willing to give up your own, but you refuse to because you consider it a worse citizenship.
I would really like to grant citizenship to the contract workers many of who have bothered to learn some Chinese.
My friend who told me to kick rocks about the petition only passed the language test because it was posted on forumosa how to pass the test if you had no Chinese. Gotta love those workarounds for foreigners.
@Andrew can resume. But he’s not interested regardless.
Just pointing out that there aren’t non-Japanese Japanese citizens etc.
I know you might not have read the entire thread, but I’ve said a few times that I don’t want Taiwanese citizenship myself. I wouldn’t necessarily say “worse”, just feels less applicable to me. I think that many of the perks as you call them should also be available to long-term residents who’ve contributed here.
You as in foreigners in general.
There are, but they gave up their original citizenship. Just like there are a few non-Taiwanese Taiwanese citizens who obtained Taiwanese citizenship by giving up their original citizenship.
For some countries one needs to give up their original citizenship to naturalise. It’s very common. Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Austria etc. etc. etc. are all like this. It’s just that countries you collectively come from (Anglophone countries) do not have this requirement so you think everyone else should be like you.
Green = allow multiple citizenship
Red = do not allow multiple citizenship
I know many APRC holders who do not see Taiwan as their home or being Taiwanese. They often write about (back home this or that ) on their posts.
Even some who cannot renounce are not concerned about becoming citizens here. It’s not for everyone. As I wrote a long term friend who has been here since 1984 is only naturalizing now for the extra benefits in old age citizens get that APRC holders do not get. He’s never been interested and took some persuasion to do so.
But we should thank the people who signed the petition regardless of whether oo not this petition is useful for them.
It sounds like you’re saying here that naturalized Taiwanese citizens (for example) aren’t real Taiwanese citizens, because they’re still some kind of foreigner — is that the correct interpretation?
Something for you guys to discuss. 
Yes so why not a petition to give JFRV APRC holders the same access to services ( except voting ) as citizens. As @Mataiou it is because foreigners are not included in any HHR systems due to the ID numbers they have.
Yes. It’s just a fact and is the same everywhere unless you naturalised at a very young age.
Are you genuinely arguing that some random guy who barely knows English (or Spanish I guess) would be a REAL American just because he obtained US citizenship somehow?
