A Very Happy 4th of July to All

Dude— try Brazil. They like nuts.

It’s not some ‘agenda’ it’s people working in critical public health agencies for US health services in many cases. They randomly told me about the cutbacks to services and in one case the corruption they have been dealing with, maybe they somehow all know each other and secretly cooperated to tell me ?

Anyway that’s just an aside, I prefer the 90s and pre 911 vibe America, I’m sure many of you out there do too.

And I see and know from working in the public sector that cuts come after slush funds are found out. And corruption is endemic in government funding. And that has no bias by party.

As for the 90s. I had a blast up until I left in 94. Missed the boom and dot com bust and made my way here.

I prefer right now. Our memory is self tainted with rainbows. :rainbow:

Looks like the fireworks finally went off in DC after some bad weather .

Wow— I bet the deer ran for miles .

And more good news about the footy.

Yeah, people should dismiss a lot of what they read online .

This guy is beginning to wear me down. :laughing:

I think a visit to the USA will change your outlook. I had a work trip with time to explore a bit in Texas, Arizona and California. My co worker was impressed (after all the bad press, she expected less after a few years gap), and me too (but I know what its like). I think most people in USA/Italy/Estonia (places I went last two month) mostly worry about daily life and most are happy. (I see people here bad mouth Japan and USA a lot, but seems ok to me, same for Taiwan, its ok but people outside of Taiwan say a lot, mostly bad)

Nah I’m not unfamiliar with the US. I think it used to be better., that’s just my opinion, you don’t need to agree with it. I worked there at a time of incredible optimism, openness and way less division. I don’t need my opinion corrected and you don’t need to agree :wink: . Everybody’s free to enjoy their celebrations.

Of course. And when you’re back in town, we can have a coffee or whatever fire water you’re drinking , and talk about it more.

I left in 94, stayed here until I went back in 2012, then returned here in 2023. I got jobs, bought houses, paid taxes and voted.

I think I have a good perspective on how the US is, and how the US is viewed from afar.

You’re always welcome. :folded_hands:

Ever get to South Dakota?

To be fair, it seems Dumpy’s fair was not well attended. But there were some, and we know he has support from some of our fellow forumosans

There is so much more to present day america. For example:

Uh huh. :thinking:

Sure sure.

And seems to me, either X is lying to me or the 4th celebrations across the country were well attended.

Doesn’t mean we support bombing people— just sayin.

Albany was
Lit up. The Brooklyn bridge drew quite a crowd. Nashville was banging. LA was partying so hard the Dodger’s broadcast team kept referring to it.

How was Canada Day, btw— any mention of all them Eskimo kids you guys kidnapped raped and murdered?

Most americans I have met on this trip begin by apologizing. But those are the ones willing and able to travel outside of luxury destinations

lol

Either you support your country, and the president your system voted for, or you don’t support murdering children and assasinating political enemies under the cover of “negotiations”. Can’t have it both ways

:man_shrugging:

Couldn’t tell you, I’m not even sure what day it is most of the time and I am far from there

Probably, there usually is. Strange that you bring it up though, as if the US didn’t do the same things at the same time. Big difference is that present day Canada is all in on truth and reconciliation.

Wow, that’s like a bingo card of logical fallacies.
Oh yeah: good job.

Is that off the top of your head? Wow. :open_mouth:

Here is your quick-reference cheat sheet for the “Fallacy Bingo” card.

The False Dilemma (Black-and-White Thinking): Artificially reducing a complex spectrum of political and moral beliefs down to just two extreme choices, completely deleting the nuanced middle ground where most people actually live.

Failure of Exhaustiveness (Formal Logic Flaw): Treating a non-exhaustive list of possibilities as if it covers the entire universe. It assumes that if you aren’t doing X, you must be doing Y, totally ignoring option Z (e.g., loving your country while criticizing its leaders).

Loaded Language / Poisoning the Well: Framing the opposing choice in the most horrific, emotionally radioactive terms possible (“murdering children”) to psychologically hijack the debate and prevent anyone from making an objective choice.

The Straw Man: Misrepresenting what it means to “support your country” by defining it as the absolute worst, most uncritical version of blind obedience, making it incredibly easy to knock down and demonize.

Guilt by Association: Implicitly asserting that if you participate in or support a democratic system, you are personally and morally responsible for every specific, covert, or overt action taken by the executive branch of that system.

The Double Negative Trap: Smuggling in a confusing “you don’t support not doing X” phrasing to force the listener into a logical corner where a “no” answer accidentally implies endorsement of an atrocity.

You should run it through grok, we have seen your handling of formal logic

Also, this took less than a minute to find. Show me yours

Why? Was I mistaken? I mean, Gemini found more fallacies than I had listed in my head, which explains my shock. :flushed_face:

And yet, your persistence at continuing as though it didn’t just happen is appealing somehow, eh, maybe appalling— I can’t decide.

It’s a lovely pivot into willful blindness — but I may give you too much credit.

Funny, I feel the same way about your reliance upon and blind acceptance of AI

Oh I didn’t need AI to know how trash your logically fallacious post was. :joy:

But nice ad hominem. Check!

Man, I got a great bingo card tonight!