Gosh, Omni, you made me blush. 
[quote]Rascal,
I am fairly certain that even girls who do not frequent pubs like sex, and that some of them have sex quite frequently, with one or several different partners.[/quote]
Dear Tigerman, I donāt think my post implied that girls who do not frequent pubs do not like sex or have no / infrequent sex only.
As such I donāt understand why your statement is addressed at me and relates to what I said.
[quote=āRascalā]I am not sure but I would see a need to differentiate between those girls in the pub mentioned and other women, i.e. they are not of the same type and the former does IMHO not represent the typical Taiwanese women.
[quote]Rascal,
I am fairly certain that even girls who do not frequent pubs like sex, and that some of them have sex quite frequently, with one or several different partners.[/quote]
Dear Tigerman, I donāt think my post implied that girls who do not frequent pubs do not like sex or have no / infrequent sex only.
As such I donāt understand why your statement is addressed at me and relates to what I said.[/quote]
I have no idea what either of you are on about nowā¦ :?
You donāt seem like the kind of guys that donāt like pubs, or girls, or nice girls at pubs. Or bad girls, or pubs that have girls in them. Or bad pubs with nice girls and nice pubs with bad girls.
[quote=āRascalā]Dear Tigerman, I donāt think my post implied that girls who do not frequent pubs do not like sex or have no / infrequent sex only.
As such I donāt understand why your statement is addressed at me and relates to what I said.[/quote]
Because, Rascalā¦ I donāt see any need to differentiate between women. You do, I donāt. Thatās fine.
I donāt like bad pubs even if there are nice girls in them.
But with reference to what Durins Bane wrote a few posts back ā
[quote=āheā]You can take the girl out of the bar but you canāt take the bar out of the girl. [/quote] ā do you still like girls, nice or otherwise, even if there are bad pubs in them?
[quote=āOmniloquaciousā]But with reference to what Durins Bane wrote a few posts back ā
ā do you still like girls, nice or otherwise, even if there are bad pubs in them?[/quote]
Yes of courseā¦ thatās part of what Iāve been saying all along.
Iām not a mathematician, but if there are all these guys out there shagging loads of women & all these women out there with only a few sexual partners then who are the guys shagging ?
All claimed male sexual encounters(M) + all admitted to female sexual encounters(F) = Total encounters(T) .
The total is probably accurate but the actual formula is probably
(M/3) + (3F) = T rather than the claimed M + F = T
Then why donāt you just state so instead of implying that I excluded girls who do not frequent pubs from enjoying sex etc., because your answer does not indicate that.
Unless of course I am stupid, you are making a joke or trying to give me one of your famous lectures. 
I dunno about Tigerman but I implied that the type of girls mentioned in the initial post are not represantative of the Taiwanese girls in general and thus might not serve as an accurate indication for labelling them easy, slut etc. - personally I do think better of Taiwanese girls and thus see no reason for jacana to be ashamed of Taiwanese girls or to think bad of them in a general way.
[quote=āMaPoDurianā][quote=āWorkingVacaā]
Jacana, I have to wonder if youāre a troll ā here youāre talking about a slut, in another thread youāre talking about an abusive ex-boyfriend, and then thereās your āAre Taiwanese Pussy?ā thread.
[/quote][/quote]
Frist of all, I donāt like the word āslutā cuz itās really rude and judgemental. Iāve never said that the girl is a slut. Actually, Iāve tried to help her cuz I know that she might need help. My point is that maybe she doesnāt know what she wants but not how many men sheās been sleeping with. Itās my fault that I wrote ā20ā in my post. I shouldnāt emphasize the number.
Once again,i donāt like the word āslutā.
And what do you mean if i am a troll huh? I wasnāt talking about my āabusive ex-bfā. I was telling the guy who wants to date a girl who has a bf already that maybe he should wait until they finish so no one will get hurt. I took my ex for example just to tell him that sometimes people find it hard to let a relationship go.
I donāt think your posts are at all trollish, Jacana. I take you as presenting an authentic Taiwanese girlās viewpoint on matters of general interest, and Iām glad to read what you have to say and to come in on the discussions that your posts generate. So keep up the posting, gal!
Quite right! Forumosa could do with a lot more Taiwanese gals. Jacana, please bring your friends!! 
[quote=āOmniloquaciousā]
There are plenty of women who are still stunningly good-looking in their 30s and beyond, and theyāre often a lot more fun to be with and talk to than the young ones (as Tomas frequently avers in these forums), though I admit that the young, eager-eyed, giddy ones are still irresistibly alluring even if thereās not much more to being with them than the simple pleasures of looking and touching.[/quote]
I have no idea where youāre getting āfrequently.ā I have posted, in one thread, a word to the wise about getting involved with younger women in Taiwan. A far cry from frequently extolling the virtues of older women.
The issue raised in this topic is rather simple to me. Iām here, 99.999999% of the women around me are Taiwanese, so Iām going to date Taiwanese women. Were I back home, it would most likely be a Latin or white woman, as I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I have never tried to tell someone who they should or shouldnāt sleep with. Totally ridiculous to try.
And I third the encouragement given to jacana. Please keep posting.
I donāt think I have met a single woman who has admitted how many guys sheās slept with if the number was above two. You could say someone has slept with eight men since 2001. That averages out to a new guy about every 5 months. If this person then says she had a few longer-term relationships and then some shorter periods of one-night stands, then it makes it seem more reasonable. Personally, I donāt think itās important how many guys sheās shagged, as long as sheās being responsible about it.
If you are counting oral sex as being actual sex, then for a 25-year-old, 20 men doesnāt seem all that high.
Sex is easier for women to get? Pah! Only a man would think that. Then again, only a woman would think a man would think that. Of course, a man would have to think of it first before a woman could think that he thought itā¦oh bother, I think Iāve gotten myself stuck in a sexual paradox. 
ImaniOU, as a black woman in Asia, youāre not exactly in a normal situation as far as being able to pull boys is concerned. Itās at least 10x as difficult to get laid here for you than it would be in most other places. In a normal environment, almost any woman who looks halfway decent-looking and possesses a minimum of social skills can pick up casual sex with a random stranger if she sets her mind to it. (Not that that kind of thing seems to appeal to most women.) Why? Because men are easy. Just compare and contrast the relative promiscuity between the gay and lesbian scenes. Itās obviously way easier to get the average man to go to bed with you than it is to get the average woman. All men are sluts.
Jacanaā¦all I can think when I read your post is that you and your girlfriends are quite possibly envious of this girlās lack of preoccupation with other peopleās silly and gossipy opinions.
Quite frankly, what business is it of yours how she conducts herself?
People like you continue to perpetuate stereotypes that consequently allow men to behave in any manner they want and for it be okay, and for women who choose to practice their free-will, be negatively labelled instead.
Who cares if this woman did go home and have sex with a man!! The scandal!! 
Grow up.
Maybe one day when you do, you will realise that women too have physical needs and by god, the right to their practice freedom of will.
When it is EXPECTED of men to come to a marriage as a virgin, or at the MOST having only had a half dozen sexual partners, should you pull out your soap box.
Until then, as a woman yourself, do yourself a favour and put it faaaaar away.
[quote=āNunfayā] Jacanaā¦all I can think when I read your post is that you and your girlfriends are quite possibly envious of this girlās lack of preoccupation with other peopleās silly and gossipy opinions.
Quite frankly, what business is it of yours how she conducts herself?[/quote]
She said that some people took the behaviour of the young woman to be typical of Taiwanese women in general. Is she not allowed to take offense or be saddened at that?
[quote=āNunfayā] People like you continue to perpetuate stereotypes that consequently allow men to behave in any manner they want and for it be okay, and for women who choose to practice their free-will, be negatively labelled instead.
Who cares if this woman did go home and have sex with a man!! The scandal!!
Grow up.[/quote]
She didn
This is what ājacanaā wrote. She was told by a girl she knows. Iām sure this girl had heard it from some other girl and so onā¦ 
Hope you understand what I mean. Someone donāt like this charming, open minded, dancing girl. She seems to be much more interesting than most girls here around and this is the reason why other girls donāt like her. She can get what the other girls just dear to dream about. āGood girls get to heaven, bad girls get what they want!ā Mean rumours have a tendency to get worse. If the rumour is now up in 20 guys, I think the real number could be somewhere between 1 and 5. This is what girls do!
ājacanaā or somebody else also questioned what this girl sees in a man who could be her grandfather. The fact is that many girls sees a lot in somewhat older men. Here I have to say that my wife is almost 20 years younger than me and we see no problem in that. We have a very happy life together with our son. Sex??? Yes, a lot!!! And when I get too old there is always Viagra or something else. Seriously, sex is wonderful and fun but itās not everything in a relation. It is not because of sex you get married and if you did, it will not last!
What comes to how many guys your g/f or wife had before youā¦
What the heck, itās none of your business! She did not know that YOU excisted then and itās not her past you want, itās her future.
I have never asked a girl how many guys she has had sex with. Is it normal to ask? :shock: Tell me, I donāt know.
One last finding I want to share with you. I have been doing business all my life in many places in the world and it happens that you end up in some āplaceā 
after a dinner with customers. Nowhere have I seen men who are so eager to find some āteporary girlā as Taiwanese men. Advice to Taiwanese g/f and wifes: Donāt let your men travel to Mainland!
He gets like this 
, and you look like this 
Finally someone understands my plight of living in Taiwan!
What do you mean by āsomeTHING else?ā Pool cleaners and gardeners have feelings too.
What do you mean by āsomeTHING else?ā Pool cleaners and gardeners have feelings too. [/quote]
I understand your hint āsandmanā but Iām not so well off that I have pool cleaners and gardeners (but maybe the cable guy).
What I mean is that during the next coming 20-30 years Iām sure they come out with something waking up even a dead man!