[quote=“Bubba 2 Guns”]You should have just put the money towards CBR600RRs. Way better value and a cheaper bike when bought used.
Mordeth has been comparing every riding experience he has had in the last 6 months to his old CBR600RR,
I’m sue he regrets buying his Kawi and selling his 600 and won’t tell us that. Why buy a smaller, expensive bike when you could have a way better bike for less money?
I’m sure we will be reading your posts in 6 months, “I think I want to step up to something bigger.”
There is not much you can do with that bike that the CBR600RR can’t do.
Just because you have been riding RZRs and FZs for years doesn’t mean that you can’t handle a bigger bike. I’m sure you guys are pretty good riders and would be able to handle bigger bikes like a CBR600RR.
You’ve got the loan, why buy a Yugo when you can afford a Ferrai??
PS I’m not trying to insult you Mordeth, just using you as a reference because you posted on this. I’m not trying to insult you , but if you take it that way well…Personal insult deleted by Moderator.[/quote]
Wow…that post actually didn’t offend me in the slightest. I read the entire post with a smile thinking that your logic was completely understandable (if not entirely correct)…until I read the last two words 
. So I’m going to respond with logic to deal with your own…and then I’ll finish my post with rudeness…again, in response to your own.
I’ve been comparing the Ninja to my old CBR because…that’s all I have to compare it to, considering that’s the only other large displacement bike I’ve owned in the last 8 years.
The only thing the CBR was truly better at…was acceleration at higher speeds…namely above 200km/hr. And as I get older and wiser, that’s an area I start to want to stay away from…the 200+ area. <edit: And the suspension was better for high speed cornering >
MJB, prefers to ride mountain roads…twisty ones…and let me quote AMA racer #6, he’s also president of the Arroyo Seco Raceway, he says “Well in the twisties it’s a totally separate issue. I know guys that can flat out haul on small twins in the mountains, smoking everyone on big bikes. That’s what’s so fun about these things, you can actually push them to their limits and still be somewhat safe compared to trying to do the same on a big bike.”
You also have better leverage and slow speed control with bars in comparison to clip ons (sportsbike handles).
You also have the low end torque with the 650R that you don’t have with a sports bike. I was riding with a guy on a Kwak 636 (ZX-6r) and we were both at cruising RPMs…I punched the gas…he punched the gas…he watched me fly away…he downshifted…and I was still flying away…he down shifted again, ahh there’s some power…but it was a bit too late to catch me. His exact words were “Each time you’d punch it, I’d have to down shift twice just to keep up…you acceleration is amazing.”
In actuallity his 636 obviously has better acceleration…but he’d need to be riding around with his engine screaming to be able to have the power “on call”…meanwhile my power is in the lower-mid rpms…so it’s always there when I need it.
The Ninja can be fit with many aftermarket bags and trunks. Even if the CBR could…it would look like ass if it did. Mind you the Ninja won’t look better with bags…but it is a sport tourer…and won’t look completely out of place. Also sports bikes suck for passengers…and MJB has at least two lovely ladies in his life that I know of.
I do miss the suspension on the CBR…but I’m figuring out a few not too radical mods that should improve the Ninja’s suspension by quite a bit.
Here is another quote from a racer in america I just came across :
[quote] Obviously you guys have never been to a track day where the 600’s are smoking the 1000’s. Hell on my SINGLES bike, on a small twisty track I was beating everyone, literbike, 600’s - they didn’t have the low end torque that I did - they never had a chance to get into the powerband before I was already at the next turn.
On the right kind of roads a small torquey bike can easily keep up with a literbike.
Ease of turning: If you’ve never ridden a bike with clip-ons back-to-back with a bike with handlebars then you simply CAN NOT comment on ease of turning a bike in this discussion. I’ve ridden my friends Tuono back to back with his same year Mille R - you want to know which one was easier to turn? The one with HANDLEBARS. [/quote]
It’s difficult to reach any bikes full potential. But I’ve got a better chance learning to ride skillfully on a 650R that is more suited to Taiwan’s riding conditions…then some totally out of place liter bike that gets smoked by 600s…even on an American race track…unless there are 300km/hr striaght aways on it.
Guys on liter bikes often get stuck on the learning curve. I see guys who have been riding liter bikes for a while…and are scared shitless to do anything with it…because they’ve already had so many close calls with the rear end sliding out…or the front end jumping up 5 feet without them wanting it to. From my own personal experience, the guys who ride the liter bikes are the slowest…most unskilled riders on the road.
When MJB borrowed my bike…there was a guy there on a 1000RR. MJB asked the guy to smoke me in a short sprint…(just up to the speed limit or so…nothing dangerous) and the guy refused…like I knew he would. Why? Because he’s scared of his bike…and he knows there’s a good chance he’ll loose to my bike…even though he has more than double my horse power 
:bravo: .
Sorry if my diss’ing liter bikes offends you Redneck insult referring to lack of male appendage removed by Mod.
) and putting the loan through in his name alone, even as a big nose, and with a local mate co-signing in case he does a runner, he got the loan… for a lot more than NT$300k too, if they can be that generous to him, perhaps you should talk to the bank he went through…
, never a liter bike is kind of jumping the gun… sure big power can equal big problems if you don’t know what you’re doing etc. etc. but don’t be too quick to write them off, if nothing else most liter class bikes are the flagship models of their respective factories and as such tend to come with tasty suspension, and good quality well setup suspension is a massive factor on Taiwan’s rubbish surfaces, mountain or otherwise… the budget suspension could be the biggest Achilies heel of your Kwak…
as you know if anything I agree with you that a liter class sportsbike would not be my first choice for Taiwan, but I definitely wouldn’t underestimate the potential of one ridden properly…
