CNN Analyst Accuses David Webb of White Privilege. Webb is Black

[OysterOmelet]

@Andrew0409

@OysterOmelet

You don’t get diversity by restricting Asians in favor of whites.

Is diversity really based on something on the color of someone skin?

The admissions people want all kinds of diversity. Ethnic background, geography, family income, etc.

[BiggusDickus]

I don’t know much about Affirmative Action in the US. Does it include intersectionality? So, for example, would a woman of color with slightly lower scores than a man of color beat him when trying to take the university place of an Asian with higher scores than either of them?

[OysterOmelet]

@Mick

@OysterOmelet

Supreme Court ruled you can have affirmative action for diversity. You don’t get diversity by restricting Asians in favor of whites.

Depends on your definition of diversity. Is it a goal to some how have proportional representation at the university of all different races, white, black, Asian, try to get a 50:50 ratio between men and women, however they might be proportionally made up in society at large.

Because some of the top Universities have up to 20% Asian despite making up only 5 or 6 percent of the population, seems like you would need to keep those numbers down.

Or, is someone who is diverse, just someone who is not white?

It’s not about being proportional to your percentage of the population. People learn better when you interact with those different from you.

[Dr_Milker]

@OysterOmelet

People learn better when you interact with those different from you.

Define “learn.”

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

The admissions people want all kinds of diversity. Ethnic background, geography, family income, etc

But you said you don’t get diversity restricting Asians over whites. There are no circumstances where a white person could be more diverse than a Asian person? There’s some limit of diversity a person can have based on the color of their skin?

[OysterOmelet]

@BiggusDickus

I don’t know much about Affirmative Action in the US. Does it include intersectionality? So, for example, would a woman of color with slightly lower scores than a man of color beat him when trying to take the university place of an Asian with higher scores than either of them?

Theoretically yes, you get points for race, sex, etc. butut currently, women outnumber men in US colleges by a wide margin, so there’s no need for that.

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

People learn better when you interact with those different from you.

Seems a bit racist to put it this way. “Different”

[OysterOmelet]

What I meant was all else equal, restricting Asians in favor of whites makes no sense.

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

women outnumber men in US colleges by a wide margin, so there’s no need for that.

So why not now make it harder for women?

[OysterOmelet]

@Andrew0409

@OysterOmelet

women outnumber men in US colleges by a wide margin, so there’s no need for that.

So why not now make it harder for women?

Some schools do.

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

What I meant was all else equal, restricting Asians in favor of whites makes no sense

Why? You said yourself you believe in some point system. A white trans female from a bad socioeconomic background with alcoholic lesbian parents with physical disabilities gets still gets less points in your system than a straight Asian male from a rich family.

[OysterOmelet]

@Dr_Milker

@OysterOmelet

People learn better when you interact with those different from you.

Define “learn.”

I’m not a philosopher.

[OysterOmelet]

@Andrew0409

@OysterOmelet

What I meant was all else equal, restricting Asians in favor of whites makes no sense

Why? You said yourself you believe in some point system. A white trans female from a bad socioeconomic background with alcoholic lesbian parents with physical disabilities gets still gets less points in your system than a straight Asian male from a rich family.

No, I said all else equal. A white trans female from a bad socioeconomic background should not get more points than an Asian trans female from a bad socioeconomic background.

[bojack]

@BiggusDickus

Does it include intersectionality? So, for example, would a woman of color with slightly lower scores than a man of color beat him when trying to take the university place of an Asian with higher scores than either of them?

This is what Andrew was getting at earlier, when he asked about what scoring system makes sense to @brasd.

The answer seems to be that it’s complicated. Most university programs (especially the private universities making up the Ivy League) are trying to do an end run around litigation by making their programs up as they go - or at least trying not to violate Gratz v Bollinger, a ruling by the Supreme Court that made racial and gender quotas illegal. It remains very, very complicated, however.

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

No, I said all else equal. A white trans female from a bad socioeconomic background should not get more points than an Asian trans female from a bad socioeconomic background.

You’re actually serious with this…how are the points judged?

But please, I’ve met 4th gen Asian Americans who hangs out with only Asians from their own nationality backgrounds and study with zero sense of diversity and white males who learned multiple languages and traveled, athlete and musicians while into way more things and leadership skills.

How about we look for diversity in skills and competence.

[OysterOmelet]

@Andrew0409

@OysterOmelet

No, I said all else equal. A white trans female from a bad socioeconomic background should not get more points than an Asian trans female from a bad socioeconomic background.

You’re actually serious with this…how are the points judged?

But please, I’ve met 4th gen Asian Americans who hangs out with only Asians from their own nationality backgrounds and study with zero sense of diversity and white males who learned multiple languages and traveled, athlete and musicians while into way more things and leadership skills.

How about we look for diversity in skills and competence.

Academic performance of 3rd & 4th generation Asian Americans isn’t higher than whites.

[Andrew0409]

@OysterOmelet

Academic performance of 3rd & 4th generation Asian Americans isn’t higher than whites

So pass two generations, the points also gets lower in your privilege scoring system. Do you listen to yourself?

[jdsmith]

@OysterOmelet

People learn better when you interact with those different from you.

Got proof of that that isn’t anecdotal?

[Andrew0409]

I don’t see how asian Americans aren’t waking up to the ridiculousness of this entire thing. It all sounded good when diversity worked for us, but you see how clearly fucked it is with the Harvard case.

[brasd]

It is logical, it is like learning from two different books or all learning from the same book. Basic Logic