Coronavirus Crisis Open Thread May-September

Personally i think they should have started 6 months ago with travel quarantines and Mandatory face masks wearing. And currently they should take these seriously. It’s basically optional at this point. If these steps were taken and taken seriously i believe there wouldn’t be need for lockdown.

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So, was nationwide lockdown handled badly worth it? And should it be tried again?

You underestimate CGI.

I think it should have been prevented in the first place. And prevented from happening again.

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Where are you going to live? The tube is dead at the moment, as is central London. Zones 2+ where people live are busier, as are other parts of the country.
The virus is mostly well under control now.

I agree.

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Action should have been taken much earlier in the UK. Contrary to BS in the media/social, people here have been good at following the rules once confusing messages from the government were cleared up.

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I’ve seen people get exemptions from mandatory mask wearing because it causes them mental distress or they have some asthma in the UK. Idk how I feel about that. Seems like these people are being dramatic and want to be special. I literally ran 3k today in the heat with a mask on and it doesn’t even bother my breathing. I don’t believe it really messes with asthma, it’s just in their heads.

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You’re going to see people not wearing masks that’s for sure. There’s no real enforcement, but most people follow the rules, especially on public transport.

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Good but not great. every time i have had to use a shop or public transport there is always some dick heads not wearing a mask. But i agree with your sentiment, people are basically fine with the masks now. Whereas before when the message was mixed people just thought it was weird to wear one.

Yes i’ve seen it. Even heard my neighbour boasting about how she yelled down a staff member who questioned her not wearing a mask. Stupid chav twats.
Funny how i don’t recall seeing that in taiwan…

I think I last cared about Batman around #3. ha ha

Certainly a controversial article

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And I have heard this one before:

One hopes, I already have bought my souvenir.

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That guy is a moron. Who the hell would go near any American athletes?

Anheuser-Busch Inbev has a problem in the brewery that brews Corona, a Corona (COVID-19) infection. They are on strike now.

This is why you wear a mask.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/09/08/bergamo-italy-covid-longterm/?arc404=true

Those who survived the peak of the outbreak in March and April are now negative. The virus is officially gone from their systems.

“But we are asking: Are you feeling cured? Almost half the patients say no,” said Serena Venturelli, an infectious-disease specialist at the hospital.

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This looks really good , get these out at scale and test everybody travelling and working every day at first, then weekly , the curve will flatten potentially to zero .
The current testing regime, the cost and the time required, just can’t deal with a widespread pandemic. It cannot catch up the speed of spread and the vast numbers of asymptomatic folks infected.

Roche said it also intends to file for Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), which has already given EUA to four similar antigen tests: from Abbott (sensitivity 97.1%, specifity 98.5%), Lumira Dx UK (sensitivity 99.3%, specifity 98.4%), Becton Dickinson (sensitivity 84%, specifity 100%), and Quidel Corp (sensitivity 96.7%, specifity 100%). Roche said, its test has a sensitivity of 96.52% and a specificity of 99.68%, based on 426 samples from two independent study centers.

These rapid antigen saliva tests will generate a lot of false positives due to widespread and frequent testing, however it could be that retesting with other vendors tests might help.

Some novel schemes need to be worked out.
You could test positive (putative positive …Isolated )
Test again with other vendor (putative negative )
Test again with other vendor (confirmed negative). Release from isolation.

Or else send all putative positives to the PCR lab and no screening allowed by PCR anymore to free up capacity. The best way but still expensive and slow.

Another way is to do group screening and run statistical analysis. Because a positive in a group is more likely to be a true positive if other positives in the group have been detected at higher than normal false positive rate.

Something like that. Clinical testing isn’t a simple science.:sunglasses:

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None 100% sensitivity means potential false negative results. If you have 100,000 carriers trying to enter a country daily, even when the sensitivity for your rapid test is at 99.3%, that means 700 carriers would test as negative and slip through, daily.

We can lower that number by using multiple different rapid tests for one person, however, since the sensitivity isn’t 100%, you are still risking letting false negative people through.

In another words, rapid tests simply cannot get international travel back to the pre-COVID days. In the end, you still would want everyone to be subjected to a 14-day quarantine, just to be sure, and if that’s the case, why bother wasting money doing rapid testing at entry anyway?

Which is why you need to think about how you apply these tests carefully and how you open up or not.

But internally within a country that is experiencing a mass pandemic they are super useful.