They have provided Taiwan with 12 years of labour. Then all they get as recognition is to be sent home.
USA, Australia, UK after that time you would be able to apply for a level of residency that would provide you with certainty of your future.
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The Irish gentleman may certainly have died of COVID. But the news report actually stated:
âThe deceased man reportedly had a history of hypertension and obesityâŚ
The cause of the manâs death is not yet known and an investigation will be carried out to determine the exact cause of death.â
So maybe he died of COVID, but we canât honestly say one way or the other just yet. Have to wait until the doctors inform us on actual cause.
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Sure he was just walking around with eight illnesses for years and just happened to drop dead on the street the day he got COVID.
The doctors wonât be able to tell you anything more than that. A number of illnesses contributed, but itâs awfully hard to imagine he wouldnât be walking around a while yet if he didnât get COVID. Pretty impossible, really.
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The article didnât say he had âeight illnessesâ or got COVID âthat day.â I donât know where you got that information.
Anyway, I just linked the article, which says: âThe cause of the manâs death is not yet knownâŚâ
I donât see any problem with not speculating on the actual cause of death, and deferring to the official report. Maybe he died of COVID, but we donât know actually yet. They say he definitely tested positive for COVID though.
If you prefer to believe he died of COVID, thatâs fine with me, really! 
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Doesnât that happen with everyone who dies? They walk around for years with their illness and then they drop down dead one day.
Happens every day of the week.
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At the beginning of this outbreak in Taiwan there were regular updates of the case numbers within specific districts in Taipei and New Taipei. Does anyone know if that list is still bein released? Iâve tried looking on the CECC website but canât find it.
True for some.
âHypertension in overweight or obese subjects, however, emerged as the key factor leading to a significant increase in the risk of CVD (cardiovascular disease) mortality.â
Cardiovascular Mortality in Overweight Subjects: The Key Role of Associated Risk Factors
Hypertension, plus obesity, plus COVID. Canât be good 
Covid sudden death syndrome? That would be scary. Usually people get hospitalised first
I didnât claim anyone didnât die of Covid. I corrected your certainty that he did die of Covid.
Common things are more common.
As far as anybody knows, COVID doesnât kill in that way. Although Brianâs low O2sat theory is vaguely plausible, the fact is that when people in that condition die on the street itâs almost always a common-or-garden heart attack (or stroke, or aneurism, or similar). That doesnât mean COVID didnât have something to do with it, but saying âhe would be alive today if he hadnât caught COVIDâ seems a bit of a stretch to me.
I guess weâll never know for sure because the stats arenât broken down to this level. Which is a pity - it would be informative.
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We can easily turn it around and say that the guy died of obesity when he caught Covid. Without the obesity he wouldnât have died.
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I donât see the 12 years limitation without citizenship path as inherently immoral. We could argue that but it probably belongs in another thread.
Of more concern here would be if Taiwan law does not allow these laborers due process, protection via workplace safety etc. - or of course unfair treatment by pandemic measures.
Because the way taiwanese government works is its either freedom for everyone or for none. Because restricting movement of one area would make people there feel discrimated against others. Level 3 all over taiwan would âmake everyone feel part of same bucketâ and none of the demographic would complain in particular. You know freedom for all is the policy here. Such weird policies and rules are the reasons why we are ending up here now.
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Itâs actually a thing. They die within two days as their O2 levels plummet suddenly .
Need to make it an initialism. CSDS. Or, even better, an acronym like CiSDS. Sounds a bit like AIDS.
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PCR test for all arrivals.
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CiSDS are doing it for themselves.
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365 days late. But better later than never.
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âwithâ covid, "from"covid.
OK,
Youâre making a distinction.
Youâre saying: we donât actually know if covid was the cause of death.
Right?
Technically correct. But we do know that people with underlying health conditions are more susceptible to the virus. If a person with diebetes + hypertension + covid drops dead, it is virtually impossible to determine the exact cause of death.
For that reason, I err on the side of caution.
A man collapses, is rushed to hospital, dies, then later tests positive for covidâŚ
Thatâs Covid. We can split hairs at a later date.
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Yes but now released by each separate local government.
I like the one from New Taipei as it tells what kind of contagion is predominant. Mostly family.
From Pingtung as they had no cases they reported on testing
I recommend linking to your district or municipality LINE acct to get the latest data.
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