Then prove me wrong.
I have already many times.
I gave you the benefit of just being ignorant. But itâs becoming apparent that you are, at best, willfully ignorant.
You talk a lot but no facts. You must be American 
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Results Our analysis finds a exponential relationship between age and IFR for COVID-19. The estimated age-specific IFR is very low for children and younger adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) but increases progressively to 0.4% at age 55, 1.4% at age 65, 4.6% at age 75, and 15% at age 85. Moreover, our results indicate that about 90% of the variation in population IFR across geographical locations reflects differences in the age composition of the population and the extent to which relatively vulnerable age groups were exposed to the virus.
No, they donât. If they did, mortality rates would also reflect this.
Yes they do .
Results* Our analysis finds a exponential relationship between age and IFR for COVID-19. The estimated age-specific IFR is very low for children and younger adults (e.g., 0.002% at age 10 and 0.01% at age 25) but increases progressively to 0.4% at age 55, 1.4% at age 65, 4.6% at age 75, and 15% at age 85. Moreover, our results indicate that about 90% of the variation in population IFR across geographical locations reflects differences in the age composition of the population and the extent to which relatively vulnerable age groups were exposed to the virus.
At this point IFR and CFR are meaningless. There should be enough data that mortality rates show how deadly Covid-19 truly is/isnât. So far you havenât been able to demonstrate your claims using mortality rates.
That you canât read facts is your problem, not mine.
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We should be more specific and not rely on national stereotypes.
A particular poster seems to be ready to join the Trump legal team!
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The âdeath ratesâ in some countries are a farce.
In the UK, if you were tested positive within 28 days of your death, your death certificate would state you died of C19.
Same with hospital admissions apparently. Break your leg, tested positive 3 weeks before, enter hospital, you are a C19 stat.
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As long as they dont mandate it. I think that is a real concern. I can see places like Canada doing something along the lines of TB in Taiwan. Kids cant attend public school without it.
Not anti vaccine, but im going to wait a bit and see how things play out first. Not a fan of rushed science.
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Bloomberg, via the Japan Times, reports on how airlines are gearing up for some very complicated logistics: delivering vaccines.
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The only companies making any real money from statins are Chinese and Indian generic manufacturers. All the commonly used ones are off patent already and cost pennies to make. Thereâs no big pharma conspiracy as far as statins go.
I do agree with the principle though. Diet and exercise are the two most powerful drugs we have. Weâd need dramatically less pharmaceutical interventions if we werenât such an unhealthy population though.
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I donât disagree with the statistics. But letâs also put this in context.
85 is above the median life expectancy in most countries. Because of that, your yearly chance of dying at age 85 (from any cause) is also around 15%. So Covid, while serious, is not a death sentence for the elderly, by any means.
We will only know true mortality figures a few years in the future, once we have retrospective data. There may be a harvesting effect where we have less cardiovascular deaths, stroke, COPD etc in 2021 because Covid got those people in 2020.
We also know that countries are using dramatically different methods to select who to test, how characterise as a âcaseâ, how to determine cause of death etc. So itâs difficult to interpret those data due to the wild inconsistencies. The only number which will be somewhat consistent is total mortality, because you canât easily fudge a body.
And as a wider point, we need to weigh up social, economic and healthcare costs of lockdown. The number of people saying Covid is nothing is very small. But the number saying that it isnât worth the cost of lockdowns is increasing every day.
Weâre fortunate here in Taiwan, but the UK is in a terrible state right now. Friends with successful jobs or their own companies suddenly in serious trouble or already broke. High streets and small businesses are dead. Thatâs due to lockdowns, not virus. And if weâre brutally honest, this is setting back the lives of several generations - in exchange for giving some 85 year olds a few more months.
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Hereâs one that is starting to get some attention: reduced birth rates.
U.S. government data for 2020 birthrates wonât be available until next summer. Mr. Narasimhan in an interview said Reckitt has its own birthrate projections and has also noted figures from the Brookings Institution.
The think tank has forecast between 300,000 to 500,000 fewer births in the U.S. next year, compared with a drop of 44,172 last year. Its analysis, partly based on what happened following the 2007-2009 recession, is that weaker job prospects equate to fewer births. âWomen will have many fewer babies in the short term, and for some of them, a lower total number of children over their lifetimes,â it said in a June report.
Since birthrates have been declining in much of the world for years, creating many demographic and socioeconomic challenges, anything that accelerates the trend is going to have a profound impact on society for years to come.
The growing inability of our society to face the reality that people will get old and die is a form of mental illness.
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Iâm an American, and I approve of this message.
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It goes to 1.5% death rate for over 60s. Itâs pretty bad.
For over 80s it approaches 10-15%
You should review the numbers instead of coming out with trite statements such as 'its not a death sentence '.
Sorry but this is bullshit.
The virus spreads practically exponentially . The UK was on track to move from 100k cases to 1 million in six weeks by end of November That 1 million would then become 2 million in a week or two from now. imagine Xmas with that ?
These numbers are continuously tracked in real time by the REACT population screening program in the UK.
Thatâs how exponential numbers work.
I hate this backwards looking waffle where âthe success of lockdownâ in controlling virus transmission is then turned around to making it like they arenât necessary.
With a virus spreading through the community like wildfire during winter period you wonât have a functioning healthcare system and people will be too scared to do much and wouldnât be permitted to enter many public spaces or private spaces anyway.
So you CANT WIN.
Even Sweden is enfocring harsh restrictions and what amounts to local lockdown continuously (and they are amongst the most socially distanced people on the planet normally ) .
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Yes small businesses, especially those without a significant web presence, are being crushed. Itâs an awful development, one with real human and economic impact.
But letâs use the logic present in this discussionâold people are going to die anyways, and COVID-19 is simply âharvesting them.â We know that web retailers have been gaining about 1% of market share each year before the COVID crisis. Well our year of COVID saw web retailers increase their market share by 10%âin short, a decade compressed into one year. It has accelerated a trend that was already there.
If you like your âharvestingâ logic for elderly people, you can also apply it to your friends with small businesses. They are likewise being âharvested.â
Guy
Being born is a death sentence. And by the time you reach your 80s, the probability of it being carried out is high.
We get it. You donât want anyone to die, no matter how old or sick they are.
What you donât seem to want to understand is that some people (and apparently growing numbers of them) are of the opinion that shutting down the world indefinitely, stunting the development of young people, etc. is too hefty a price to pay for trying to prevent every single death in the elderly population.
We donât live in a perfect world where every life can be saved. We face decisions that will result in some people living and some people dying. Locking down is one of those decisions, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. By locking down, we might save some people but it will cause other deaths due to other causes (economic, starvation, mental health, lack of access to preventative healthcare, etc.).
If you would just come out and say that youâre willing to accept other deaths to save the lives of the elderly, at least it would be intellectually honest.
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