I have no problem with that as long as you agree to kick out the overweight, smokers, drug users, alcoholic, and chronic junk food eaters out of the bed as well. Once you go down that slope, you need to make it fair. Especially if you are having a stroke because of your poor life choices. Better yet, we should develop an AI that determines if you are worth it or not. Maybe on your worth to society in terms of overall contribution.
I dont expect people to drop dead. But unintended after effects can happen. Like people not realizing until others got the shot that some people had blood clots, some had myocardis (sp?) , some with Bells palsy. I bet that didnāt get shown in the first run trials.
Isnāt it funny how every other country in the world has a vaccinated cohort in hospital that reflects the general vaccination rate and a very modest vaccine effectiveness (ie., somewhere around 50% vaccinated), while in the US exclusively, the vaccine is 100% effective and nobody who has had the shot ever gets sick. Perhaps we should have whatever theyāre having?
Maybe you should argue with that hospital director if you know better than them instead of trying to turn it into a general argument?
This has been seen in hospital after hospital in the USā¦The large majority of sick people being the unvaccinated in those states that have lower vaccination rates.
Iām just saying that perhaps the newspapers are lying. Wouldnāt exactly be a first in human history, would it?
I posted the statistics from the NHS technical briefing, which suggests a vaccine effectiveness around 15%. You are of course free to look up the same information and verify my calculation.
If theyāre telling the truth, then either (a) the NHS are lying or (b) as I said above, something very odd is happening in the US. It seems highly unlikely that the vaccine is 100% effective in the US alone, and virtually useless elsewhere.
This isnāt true. Go and read some official statistics instead of repeating whatever the newspapers say. The difference, State-to-State, is trivial.
And even if it were true, why do you think that would have any impact on vaccine effectivness? If youāre right, then it suggests that keeping vaccination rates low keeps vaccination effectiveness high.
Thereās nothing surprising about this for meā¦The unvaccinated probably live together with their unvaccinated families and social groups so it will spread through them very quickly.
Whereas even though vaccinated families can be infected they will have a much slower rate of transmission and far lower rate of hospitalisation and death.
Iāve seen the data from European countries and vaccination makes a huge impact on hospitalisation and death rate As you know otherwise Ireland and the UK would be shutting down with more lockdowns nowā¦Instead they are opening up even as cases rise.
Ahhh, so it isnāt all of them then. At least we got to the bottom of that.
Oregon is now at 67% of adults fully vaccinated, and Portland/Multnomah county is about average for Oregon generally. The older cohort are 90%+. Thatās comparable to the UK, where COVID has basically gone away.
Hospital cases are almost all in the over 50s, and that agegroup generally will have a higher vaccination rate than the broader adult population - probably about 80%.
If hospitalisations are 84% unvaxed, then that would put the vaccine effectiveness at 80%.
If we take that at face value, we have to ask:
a) Why is vaccine effectiveness so low in other countries?
b) What more, exactly, is Oregon supposed to do, given its already-high vaccination rate?
We can surmise from the above that the absolute number of people in hospital is very low, regardless of the percentages. Yup, turns out itās about 20 a day. Thatās exactly the same number of people who die in Oregon every day of smoking-related diseases. Perhaps we should have an anti-smoking mandate?
None of this means what I said or what those health officials said is wrong. The disease is mainly prevalent amongst the unvaccinated and far more dangerous. They are the ones putting most loading on the health system . Maybe they should pay extra for insurance .
Arent you the one always going on and on and on about fat people being a burden ?!?
What about unvaccinated ?
Also 67% vaccination rate is far from great. Thereās quite a risk there still.
It suggests that theyāre cooking the books in some manner. The figures theyāre quoting arenāt even close to the rest of the world. Why?
So what? If 17 out of 20 people are unvaxed, exactly why is that a big deal? Thatās their choice. People are free to decide what they die of.
No, itās people who smoke, drink, stuff their faces with McDolans, and watch TV all day. Those account for 80% of the people in the ICU, including people who are there for non-COVID reasons.
Most old people are overweight including very likely your own parents and perhaps yourself.
The critical factor is AGE because aged immune systems donāt work very well. Itās not being fat. As I mentioned almost no fat people under 50 will die from covid.
Iām suggesting that the problem is a lot bigger than āunvaccinated people are getting COVID and clogging up the hospitalsā. Youāre picking out one single statistic and ignoring the broader context, as you always do. The newspapers like to make much of this because it gets people like you clicking on their crap.
