Death, COVID, and religion

I would say “stories of personal experience” rather than “data”.

I know of at least one person who was pronounced dead, but was later “resurrected” after about 2 days iirc.

Those things are more common now with the improvement of technology. We’ve been able to resuscitate people who are clinically dead.

Except this particular event happened over 20 years ago.

See if they can provide accurate information about their surroundings while clinically dead.

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You mean like talking rainbow unicorns singing hallelujah? :laughing:

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What was happening in the room when their EEG was flat?

What were those in the room talking about?

Does it match what the people who were alive said?

I’m sure we would all treat jimipresley like a creepy pervert :wink:

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Heh. You’d probably be more likely to stand up and offer your seat on the MRT to this doddering old fool, so he can perv the pretty lady sitting opposite him. :crazy_face:

The bible is fiction as well. christians seem to also go back to its an.interpretation, its not literal, its meant as a guide etc…aka, fictional stories meant to motivate and.persuade people.

Dr, Syras Derken is an Evangelical Christian and member of the New Evangelical Charismatic Church,which of course doesn’t mean that what he is saying is wrong. It’s just fortuitous his scientific studies showed what his church previously taught to be true.

Also. his daughter, then 13, was tragically murdered 20 years ago. Dr, Derken has held that the man found guilty of this horrific crime was influenced by pornography. The man was convicted in 2011, but retried and found not guilty in 2017 because police did not take into account conflicting DNA evidence .
He might be right, but his evidence deserves more looking into.

But you can’t prove it, can you?
For your statement to be true, you would have to have been there while it was being written and to know the intent of the person(s) writing it.

The onus is not on him to prove it. The onus is on you, who is asserting something, to prove your position.

I would have to disagree. He is asserting something: that the bible is pure fiction.

That is what I am asking if he can prove.

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Do you like my data?

:joy:

The Bible isn’t a unitary book. Some of it is obviously satire (Jonah living inside the fish).

Interesting. I can see how he might have been driven.

Yes, I am well aware of that. It’s an anthology of writings from different time periods. All which were believed to be inspired from God.

Jonah died and came back to life

A third option is that Jonah died in the whale’s stomach and was later brought back to life. This is a fairly common view among Christians and does have at least some biblical credibility to it. During Jonah’s prayer from the fish, he says “I called out to the LORD, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice” (Jonah 2:2). The term Sheol is a Hebrew reference to the place of the dead. A modern-day synonym might be something like “the afterlife” or “the next world” or “the hereafter”. Jonah says in his prayer that this is where he called out to God. Therefore, many take this to mean that Jonah actually died in the fish (not exactly a surprising result), prayed to God from the afterlife, was then revived and spit out onto the land.

This does seem possible based on the text, and it eliminates the trouble of trying to explain how a person can live for days in the stomach of a fish. Not only does Jonah’s prayer open up this possibility, but Jesus’ interpretation of the Jonah account adds to the likelihood that Jonah had died in the fish. Jesus says “For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40). Since we know that Jesus died on the cross and rose again three days later, the fact that he would parallel his experience with Jonah’s time in the fish at least suggests that in both instances death and resurrection were the result. If Jesus really did taste death and come back to life, wouldn’t it makes sense that Jonah did also?

Perhaps. There seems to be good reason why this view is a very real possibility. But the weakness of this interpretation is that speaking of being in Sheol does not always mean literal death. For example, king David speaks about being delivered from Sheol in the Psalms on a number of occasions, even though he was not speaking of literal death (Psalm 18:5, 30:2-3). In such cases, Sheol is more of a poetic expression about the dire circumstance a person is in. David’s life was often in jeopardy from his enemies, and similarly Jonah was facing a hopeless fate in being swallowed by a fish in the open sea. It is possible that just as David was speaking metaphorically of being in mortal danger, so Jonah was referring to a near-death experience.

Although we can only speculate as to what happened to Jonah, the truth is all the places mentioned in the Bible match. Even places that everyone thought was just a “legend”. In fact some archeological finds were discovered using the Bible as a roadmap.

So it is accurate in that sense.

However as far as “rules for our living”, I really think we must be more rational in that, and understand the context. Especially rules from the Old Testament, as they were written to THEM, not us.

But like Jesus said, love God, love your neighbor, and everything else follows. It’s basically the golden rule.

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Inspired ≠ literal

So you think the animals had to repent?