Bob.
Fuck if I know, man.
Bob.
Fuck if I know, man.
Thatâs actually not a bad name for a parrot.
Thatâs actually not a bad name for a parrot.
Ask @the_bear, I think he and ZD had one of them FWB deals.
I think itâs name was EbeneezerâŚunless that was ZDâs safe word and I just forgot itâŚ
I think itâs name was EbeneezerâŚunless that was ZDâs safe word and I just forgot itâŚ
Some things you can never unsee.
At least Rosie weighed under 300 lb back then.
At least Rosie weighed under 300 lb back then.
Danny too.
What facts?
That that data is quite old. Actually, that BOOK is quite old, and the data is even older.
A personal anecdote is of more value than actual research?
Noop. Not what I meant at all.
Social data/opinions like this change very quickly. Does ANYONE talk about Gay marriage anymore?
What should bother you more, as an otherwise intelligent people, is your knee jerkiness.
BTW, after a sliver of research into Black Sounding Names, I happened across this:
Recently I played host to my nieceâs 5th-birthday party. It was a backyard paint-themed affair where all the babies were dressed like pint-size Picassos in smocks and berets and hyped up on confectionersâ sugar. It was somewhere between the dance-off...
where it is thusly stated, quoted in fact from Freakonomics:
In 2005, Steven D. Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, authors of Freakonomics, in a piece for Slate, âA Roshanda by Any Other Name,â found that it wasnât the names as much as it was impoverished living conditions that were holding back uniquely named children:
The data show that, on average, a person with a distinctively black nameâwhether it is a woman named Imani or a man named DeShawnâdoes have a worse life outcome than a woman named Molly or a man named Jake. But it isnât the fault of his or her name . If two black boys, Jake Williams and DeShawn Williams, are born in the same neighborhood and into the same familial and economic circumstances, they would likely have similar life outcomes. But the kind of parents who name their son Jake donât tend to live in the same neighborhoods or share economic circumstances with the kind of parents who name their son DeShawn. And thatâs why, on average, a boy named Jake will tend to earn more money and get more education than a boy named DeShawn. DeShawnâs name is an indicatorâbut not a causeâof his life path.
Some parents doom their kids to a lifetime of being asked âHow do you spell that?â and âHow do you pronounce that?â when naming them.
My students come from The Sudan, Swahili and Kinyarwanda speaking Congolese refugees, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Chuuk, Bangladesh, and they all have âuniqueâ sounding names.
I think the Freakonomics guysâ point was that despite the name bias, the economic status is the far more important determiner of success.
âDoom them?â Hardly. Thatâs just your bias. Dazadia and Ameliana, both first graders, would disagree that their name is burdening them.
And thatâs why, on average, a boy named Jake will tend to earn more money and get more education than a boy named DeShawn. DeShawnâs name is an indicatorâbut not a causeâof his life path.
This is sensible, and itâs a large part of the story, but the problem is this: prejudices are based on reality. They encapsulate, in a very boiled-down form, some conventional experience. As he goes through life, people will make assumptions about DeShawnâs parents (ie., that theyâre idiots) and will assume that the apple doesnât fall far from the tree. And they will be right more often than theyâre wrong.
People do modify their prejudices after extended interactions. But DeShawn might never get that opportunity in a lot of situations were it matters.
Just to be clear, the issue here is not the uniqueness of the name. Itâs how stupid it sounds in its cultural context. Most people can grasp that a foreigner might be called YoYo because those phonemes arenât inherently funny in his native language, but if an American is called Yoyo, itâs probably because his parents are idiots.
Most people can grasp that a foreigner might be called YoYo because those phonemes arenât inherently funny in his native language
I actually have a friend named Yoyo. Of course, it helps that Yo means âsuperiorâ in Chinese.
The cello player?
EDIT: That probably should be cellist.
people will make assumptions about DeShawnâs parents (ie., that theyâre idiots) and will assume that the apple doesnât fall far from the tree. And they will be right more often than theyâre wrong.
Wow.
Some celebrities are on some stupid fucking shit when it comes to naming their kids, but it doesnât matter because itâs so-and-soâs child and theyâre already set for life.
Wow.
If you think your brain works differently to everyone elseâs, youâre just kidding yourself.
Denying that this sort of thing is a problem doesnât help anybody. Iceland have got the right idea here: if a parent wants to register a stupid name, the State says no. Overbearing? Yes. But it goes some small way to ensuring everyone gets a fair shot at life.
Most people can grasp that a foreigner might be called YoYo because those phonemes arenât inherently funny in his native language, but if an American is called Yoyo, itâs probably because his parents are idiots.
As a wise man once said:âYou hang out with smart people, you get smart friends. You hang out with yo-yo people, you get yo-yo friends!â
es. But it goes some small way to ensuring everyone gets a fair shot at life.
Yes, but names are not the deciding factor; financial status during childhood is far more important. And who decides if a name is âstupid?â