Follow-up:
“Provided that China’s sovereignty, security and development interests are guaranteed, after reunification Taiwan will enjoy a high degree of autonomy as a special administrative region,” Mao said.
The next day, the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology (MIIT) announced that Tesla’s Model S and Model X variants would be exempt from the vehicle purchase tax. The announcement indicates the two models will soon enter the China market again after a long hiatus.
This is so true especially in the U.K., government told everyone to buy Diesel cars, less harmful to the environment, higher mileage per gallon? cheaper price.
So seduced by this we all switched to Diesel, what happens oh diesel go up in price because all of a sudden it’s not better than petrol for the environment in fact it’s sooo bad bad diesel sales will be stopped in 2030 all buy electric.
Due to Ukraine war and worldwide recession cost of electric has risen massively now more expensive to charge a electric car.
I’m a motor engineer by training albeit not a good one, however my friend who is and owns a very successful motor garage tell’s me, the car companies spent billions on refining Diesel engines and formulate filters, some cars they do the emissions test on do not give a reading they are so clean, no reading is a failure!!! So they put some parrafin in the tank to get a reading.
Government worldwide are lying bastards as much as Elon is a prick.
Don’t listen to Musk’s parenting advice.
He’s a compromised prick.
Guy
In an ICE a lot can go wrong, many moving parts and electronics these days.
Leaking piston scrapers, carbonization of cylinder head, not cheap to fix.
Huh… that’s interesting. In a video I linked in a different threat the author was suggesting that his comments on Taiwan and Ukraine were actually conditioned by he needing money for funding his eventual purchase of Twitter, for which he didn’t really have the cash.
I can’t do any of those things 
Elon Musk of course was found not guilty. Just like he was able to smoke pot on camera with a security clearance. The guy receives no consequences for his actions. Though he has a kid who hates him enough they changed their last name away from Musk.
This.
Yeah he’s a right pothead, he slept on factory floor cuz he was stoned and couldn’t stand up 
I reckon he makes stupid comments when stoned, I know I did!
Personally I half agree with him on the China pact, I’d rather China than USA stealing Taiwan chip wafer expertise.
Pros & Cons of EV and ICE
Operation:
EV pro - electric Motors run forever, high ratio of performance to efficiency.
EV con - well, a tesla con, expect a lot of bugs buying from an immature automotive manufacturer
ICE pro - known entity, fuel infrastructure exists,
ICE con - no subtle-flex parking in those EV only parking spots; wear & tear.
Energy source:
Battery pro: pollution is generated by utilities, who, as regulated, take some pains to mitigate such ; home charging
Battery con: lower ranges, risk of acute environmental release, per Fluoro-carbon electrolytes burned in battery fires.
Petrol pro: infrastructure; free, highly-dense energy just sitting around.
Petrol con: chronic, diffuse environmental release; finite resource.
My take. If I had to choose, I’d rather deal with a gasoline fire than a lithium battery fire(more below). Batteries allow us to better control the chronic effects of car culture. Electric motors are fun. Teslas are dumb, Musk is unhinged, though I’ll still sport a nerd-chub for space x shenanigans. It’s not like he did any of that engineering himself.
Oil, being free energy, and finite, would be great to have on hand for a rainy day, but it’s already on tap.
I’ve tested fire abatement methods for Li ion and metal batteries at the FAA’s Hughes technical center. It was shocking, and I may have shared it here already. It was something like 3-400 18/650s(ion), and the second test was with ~200 lithium metal batteries, similar form factor, but I forget the designation.
The Li ion test was at ~60% charge, and brought to thermal runaway with hot fingers, used to simulate single battery losing its cool. A few minutes in, and nearby batteries start venting. Smoke, then more smoke, then the container walls puff out (it was a flexible fiber glass based shell)from the gas pressure. Then after a few seconds, dragon fire.
The lithium metal batteries were much more potent. When that test ignited, the fire spout reached a solid meter, to the side. That’s just heat, right. Well the electrolyte when burned (commonly) produces hydrogen fluoride. HF gas in any mucous membrane, eyes, nose, throat, lungs would produce hydrofluoric acid. It doesn’t sting so much as it leeches calcium out of your bones.
If you are presented with battery fire on a day like to today, with silly wind, and constant, misty sprinkles, don’t stick around!
“Why?” seems a perfectly reasonable question to ask at this point.
My understanding is lithium batteries provide their own oxygen for the fire. Could theoretically burn in a vacuum. Nasty stuff.
Other things about current batteries:
Lithium, cobalt, and nickel mining is especially polluting and dangerous at the extraction stage. I think it’s mostly done in developing countries. Can you imagine what the Chinese are getting up to in Africa with their mines there? Does Elon or any Tesla driving fanboy give a fuck? To mine these minerals properly they need to build these huge tailings dams which just sit there full of toxic crap, effectively pushing the pollution problem to future generations. And it doesn’t take much common sense to realise these dams will gradually leak into nearby waterways. And that’s if this shit is mined properly. The whole EV industry depicting itself as green is a hilarious joke. If you really give a shit about the environment, keep your gas guzzler and just drive it less.
I think it’s pretty obvious there’s a bit delusion with electric cars. Same with autonomous driving.
I like my bike, thanks.
Guy
I hope you are right, but aren’t a lot of governments around the world giving the fake green car industry a leg up?
can you support that EVs are less safe than ice vehicles?
i didn’t pull any such figure out, nor even assert it - I said if there were figures on delta performance, I’d consider a wager on it. most ice cars I’ve seen at 200k are not running all that well.
right… and you were taking issues with range hots on EVs. so it’s potentially worse on ice vehicles as you might take that efficiency hit too! 
if I’m talking range of the vehicle, why not? range is range.
nope, but when I’m comparing advantages of ice vs ev, it certainly makes sense too. your complaint about the door lock has nothing to do with the vehicle being electric, but how Tesla designed that particular car.
yes, but that has nothing with it being an ev, so… it’d be like bitching about controls on the golf r being capacitive and not back lit and saying ice vehicles suck because of that. makes no sense.