🏨 💵 Hotels | Tipping in America and elsewhere

[Mick]

@Marco

No? I’m not American. Never lived there.

So, thats their culture, for better or worse if you agree or dont, it is what it is

[Marco]

@Mick

@Marco

No? I’m not American. Never lived there.

So, thats their culture, for better or worse if you agree or dont, it is what it is

Yeah. But I have never heard of it being Mandatory.

Am I getting charged with an offence if I don’t leave a tip?

[Taiwan_Luthiers]

Tipping culture also puts a huge amount of pressure on patrons, who might just decide to never eat at restaurants, or eat only at Chinese restaurants (who don’t normally expect tips, as they are shared among the entire workforce). It would actually hurt the industry as a whole.

Like I said I’m perfectly fine if they raise the price of the food by however much percent they need to pay their workers fairly. It’s all about not having to deal with hidden charge. When you have the same amount of hidden charge that they tolerate in the US it’s actually called bait and switch.

[user86]

@Satellite_TV

If it is expected then it it not a tip. That’s extortion.

It’s not mandatory. Nobody will twist your arm if you don’t pay up.

It’s not like tipping at a restaurant.

[user86]

@Marco

Am I getting charged with an offence if I don’t leave a tip?

I said it’s mandatory, didn’t say it was legally required.

[Marco]

@user86

@Marco

Am I getting charged with an offence if I don’t leave a tip?

I said it’s mandatory, didn’t say it was legally required.

There is a tipping mandate in the US?

[user86]

@Marco

There is a tipping mandate in the US?

Most sit-down restaurants in the US have tipping mandates, yes. The ones that don’t will have a sign that says “tips not required” or something, but it’s rare.

If you don’t tip once then they will probably let it fly, but don’t go to the same restaurant twice without tipping.

[Marco]

What are the consequences if I refuse?

Granted, if the service is shit, I dont wanna go back anyways. If the service is shit, I aint givin a tip.

[user86]

@Marco

What are the consequences if I refuse?

I’ve refused once. The result was the manager came to my table and asked me why I did not tip, and I explained why. (I had a legitimate reason so he just shut up and left.)

One other time I simply forgot, and the waiter asked me if I had forgotten. I apologized and left a larger tip.

The third time I miscalculated and only tipped like 10% (it was closer to 9%), and the waitress called the manager to my table. She informed me I tipped less than 10% and asked if there was anything wrong with the service and I apologized for miscalculating the tip.

[Poundsand]

@Satellite_TV

It is not my responsibility to pay the employers salary to their staff

@QuaSaShao

If they’re not being paid fairly for doing their job and I’m paying fairly for what I’m getting then

@izzy

Cleaning the room is the job, bringing the food to the table is the job, unless they went above and beyond there is no need for tip.

Unfortunately, it is your responsibility, especially in some states that allow a lower min wage for certain jobs, and it’s built into the “fair” price you’re paying (in some states, min wage for some ‘tipped’ jobs is $2-$3/hr). It’s part of the drill, so get with the program.

@user86

Expected just means most people do it.

some places it’s built into the legal, lower, min wage structure. it’s almost always built into the offered wages.

@Taiwan_Luthiers

Tipping culture also puts a huge amount of pressure on patrons, who might just decide to never eat at restaurants, or eat only at Chinese restaurants

Tip at Chinese restaurants. And yes, don’t eat at restaurants of you don’t want to tip.

Back to hotels… I be tip at the end - more often than not, they don’t take money you leave during a stay unless you leave a note, and I aint bothering with that.

[Marco]

@user86

@Marco

What are the consequences if I refuse?

I’ve refused once. The result was the manager came to my table and asked me why I did not tip, and I explained why.

One other time I simply forgot, and the waiter asked me if I had forgotten. I apologized and left a larger tip.

The third time I miscalculated and only tipped like 10% (it was closer to 9%), and the waitress called the manager to my table. She informed me I tipped less than 10% and asked if there was anything wrong with the service and I apologized for miscalculating the tip.

I would’ve flipped shit. That’s extortion. I agree with @Satellite_TV

[user86]

@Marco

I would’ve flipped shit. That’s extortion.

Many tourists feel the same way, but most people already know this before visiting the US.

[Marco]

We tip in Canada, but I’d never had a manager come out and fucking intimidate customers that way if I didn’t tip. It’s rare that I get shit service, but I am not gonna reward shit service.

[user86]

@Marco

We tip in Canada, but I’d never had a manager come out and fucking intimidate customers that way if I didn’t tip.

Yeah Canadians are much nicer, and I’m sure it doesn’t happen everywhere in the US. There’s probably been other times I forgot to tip and never knew about it because they didn’t confront me.

I don’t know how wages work for waiters in Canada, but in the US, workers who are classified as tipped employees make less than the minimum wage. If the minimum wage is $10 for example, then tipped employees get paid like $2.

[Poundsand]

@user86

in the US, workers who are classified as tipped employees make less than the minimum wage

this varies by state.

@Marco

We tip in Canada, but I’d never had a manager come out and fucking intimidate customers that way if I didn’t tip. It’s rare that I get shit service, but I am not gonna reward shit service.

it’s certainly not the norm in the US

[Mataiou]

Really nonsense this tipping, will never understand and whomever tried to justify it really tries to twist things.

Just the ppl fairly or put a fixed charge upfront, like we do in Italy. I’m fine to pay a charge which is explicit and reported rather than a guess which is “appreciated” or expected. Silly

[user86]

@Mataiou

I’m fine to pay a charge which is explicit and reported

A 15-20% tip at a restaurant is the norm across the whole country which everyone knows about, so restaurants don’t really need to state it explicitly.

Some restaurants that serve a lot of international tourists will state it on their menu. Other restaurants will just include the tip as part of their menu price, and they will have a sign that says tipping is not required.

[dan2006]

Piling on here that tipping is ridiculous. I’m glad it’s not a thing in many Asian countries and I hope it stays that way.

[Mataiou]

@user86

15-20% tip

Insane… only at michelin star level restaurants I would be comfortable to pay more than 10% service fee (which is already a lot).

Back home the amount it’s fixed per person, between 1 to 5€ per person depending on the establishment (then u have the grifters charging more in very touristy places, but never a good idea going there in the first place).

Basically you are paying a 1/5 more than what “advertised” on the menu, I would sue for false advertisement…

[Mataiou]

Also the prices at shops not including the tax is another thing very silly to me. Seems like in the US u need to be a CPA to paying for ur food or toilet paper