Iâm sure itâs been tried before. I guess it wasnât successful if menus still do not include the tip.
Wait, I donât get it. If u do not include a charge which you expect payment of, that is not false advertisement ?
Yeah I hate that too.
I guess itâs like sales tax. It doesnât need to be explicitly stated because itâs assumed that everyone already knows about it.
Also because you donât need to tip if there is a huge problem with the service or food, but you still need to pay the portion thatâs listed on the menu.
oh damn. I always leave cash on the counter, maybe should stop or they may swipe it.
I would prefer they get paid a proper wage. tipping seems silly to me. I also avoid chain hotels and the like, always stay in owner run and operated spots for pretty much this reason.
edit for strange quote haha
haha, so no need to tip in Italy? Web pages like this link confuse me, it says tips are common (in Ireland when I was working I did not tip so was not sure about Italy)
Sometimes I do this, but recently some hotels do not clean everyday as new Covid procedures to avoid contacts.
Rule of thumb, no tip. Never tipped in my life in Italy, maybe like just left the change if small (like cents).
We pay for the service already.
Why always assume things, make it explicit. Sales tax in the states varies by state, county and some times city, so many variations, just put it in the prices like most of the world.
But the US is exceptional, manifest destiny of easy things made difficult.
I will tip in Italy if I felt the service is good. I know service charge is included but if the server was good I will slip them some cash to make sure the Italian mafia, I mean government, doesnât extort it from workers.
Tbh, in Europe and in Italy many restaurants are understaffed because they donât have the tip system. And also have less operational hours because itâs too expensive to keep open more hours paying employees. In the US, restaurants can open long hours and get more staff. Servers can clear a few hundred dollars to over a thousand a night just from tips. When itâs not busy, some servers just leave.
I know Italians like safety and many dream of government jobs where they basically canât get fired and donât need to work very hard for a consistent salary. Americans tend to prefer opportunities to make more. Restaurants in the US and servers can make significantly more than in Europe for this reason.
There are plus and minus of both sides but letâs not pretend the Europeans got it all figured out. Leave your stupid European idea at home and we will leave our stupid American ideas in America 
Fair enough, still silly though.
But tbf, Italian restaurants workers and hospitality workers are the best in the world. Itâs actually taken seriously as a profession in italy and people go to school for it.
For Americans, the tip system encourages good service but itâs not usually seen as a career. But then again in the US it can be very lucrative as a young person working a few nights a week and making good money in cash. Many of my friends paid for their schooling this way.
Unfortunately for Italy, the unemployment rate for young people is just sad 
It is, many spend their entire careers in hospitality and in my experience most managers at important places are italians or educated for hospitality in Italy.
The issue are not tips, but taxes. Taxes kill biz in Italy. This is due to widespread tax evasion, so the few who pay, pay a lot (like my dad 2 years ago paid almost 70 cents on the dollar in tax, due to a series stupid loopholesâŚ).
Also, youngsters in Italy who do nothing are too lazy to do anything, and ppl trained at the trade actually already work for decent salary (if not good).
Labour crunch in Italy is artificial, lazy ppl who rather stay home on the dole than work a honest job.
I think itâs the same everywhere. If youâve just graduated from university, youâre not very likely to want to work at a dry-cleanerâs or a restaurant.
I was fortunate enough to âcheat the systemâ: I worked part-time at dry-cleaners and restaurants when I was in university, so upon graduation I was able to get a nice-paying assistant manager job right away.
I say âcheat the systemâ because I only had to do the difficult jobs part-time, which doesnât show on my resume. So upon graduation I already had 4+ years of work experience according to my resume, even though I only worked a few hours a week at those jobs.
And many restaurants in the US are understaffed because they donât pay enough, and tips donât make up for the low wages to make it worthwhile.
Possible, at some high end places, but not that common for most servers.
Iâve worked as a waiter here and there over the years - just choosing to leave would get you fired every place Iâve worked.
Shift manager will usually asks who wants to leave when itâs not busy. You can usually ask to be cut. You obviously donât just leave without telling anyone 
Oh. Sounded like it when you said they âjust leave.â. Yea, sometimes managers will ask people to leave. That often sucks for retail and service people who are oftentimes scrambling for hours.
Itâs a service industry. If I get good service, I tip more.
By your logic, u should tip also at cinemas, banks, telcos, dentist, doctors, etcâŚ
The service fee for large groups is because if you donât tip the server has not wasted their time serving you making nothing. You could just tell people not sit with their friends but that wouldnât ever go over well.
I love giving tips. As long someone is not rude, I will always give. Yes it adds on, when I am over monthly budget we start eat oatmeals.
In Taiwan it annoys me people were confused, so I stopped giving tips there.
I can afford it, so I will give. Be kind and nice. I donât give money to charity, but I am always down to support working class people.