How Amateur Sleuths Broke the Wuhan Lab Story and Embarrassed the Media

The John Cena of public health. :sunglasses:

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Curious timing. Almost like a PR campaign

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Incredibly he was a member of the WHO mission to China back in Feb.

Talk about conflict of interest !

Time to bin that corrupt useless organisation .

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Doesn’t surprise me at all.

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A report by Independent Science News and a search of U.S. government databases revealed that EcoHealth Alliance received US$39 million in funding from the Pentagon from 2013 to 2020. Adding another US$64.7 million from USAID, the report found that Daszak’s “non-profit organization” has raked in over US$103 million from the U.S. government

Too much to lose !

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Yet another head that needs to roll.

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I reckon their security services have compromised him at some point. Although it’s not always necessary if interests are aligned but
Yeah
It’s too obvious isn’t it.

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Money or honey
that’s often all it takes.

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So what does the Chinese artist-in-exile Ai Weiwei (艟æœȘæœȘ) think of the lab leak hypothesis? Here’s what he had to say in a conversation with Tim Adams at the Observer, published in today’s Taipei Times:

Tim Adams: What did you make of those reports in the press in the last couple of days from American intelligence that doctors at the Institute of Virology in Wuhan were hospitalized in November 2019?

Ai Weiwei: I think anybody who is reasonably intelligent can understand that the pandemic has something to do with the Institute in Wuhan [the institute strongly denies any such link and none has been proved]. They have been talking for years about how they have separated these various kinds of viruses there. In China there are less philosophical or moral questions about how far humans can go into this kind of research. They want to be advanced. And not just China. Everybody also now knows that some money for that center comes directly from the US. China is not China now. They are connected in every way with US and the West. Not just in the economy and banking but in universities and research, everything.

One of Ai’s new projects, btw, is a film entitled Coronation featuring on-site video taken by eyewitnesses of the catastrophe in Wuhan.

Source: Ai Weiwei on colonialism and statues, Churchill, China and COVID - Taipei Times

Guy

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Imagine that!

It seems kind of obvious, but apparently not to huge numbers of people.

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Trust the experts, indeed

When the pandemic happened to break out on the doorstep of the lab with the largest collection of coronaviruses in the world, fueling speculation that the WIV might be involved, Daszak and 26 other scientists signed a letter that appeared in The Lancet on February 19, 2020. “We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” it stated.
We now know, thanks to a Freedom of Information Act request, that Daszak orchestrated the letter to squelch talk of a lab leak. He drafted it, reached out to fellow scientists to sign it, and worked behind the scenes to make it seem that the letter represented the views of a broad range of scientists. “This statement will not have the EcoHealth Alliance logo on it and will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person,” he wrote in his pitch to the co-signatories. Scientists whose work had overlapped with the WIV agreed not to sign it so they could “put it out in a way that doesn’t link it back to our collaboration.”
At the time, however, there was no hint of Daszak’s organizing role. The letter helped make Daszak a ubiquitous presence in the media, where he called a lab-leak “preposterous,” “baseless,” and “pure baloney.” He also attacked scientists who published evidence pointing to the lab. Part of the reason the lab theory made no sense, he argued, was because the Wuhan lab wasn’t culturing any viruses remotely similar to SARS-CoV-2. (Daszak has not responded to Newsweek’s request for comment.)

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If you have the time, here’s a 10,000-word essay from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists that has a very in-depth look at the science behind the origins of the coronavirus - The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan? - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

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I’m only interested in the scientific evidence of the origin for the purposes of preventing another pandemic, not political conspiracy theory agendas, thanks. :face_with_raised_eyebrow: :thinking:

Reason I pointed out both lab leak and wet market possibilities are negligent outcomes, was to point out that ‘being right’ over one or the other is fairly immaterial.

Of course many still want to argue vehemently, and I posit politically, about it. But this is in science and nature, how bout we stick to scientific evidence, not wacky online polls.

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https://www.johnlocke.org/update/deplatforming-people-and-censoring-social-media-content-wont-work/
It’s extremists (progressives and the far right) who generally support censorship. The lab leak fiasco is yet another example of how this backfires, but they never seem to learn.

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That’s like arguing it’s not worth breathalyzing a motorist involved in a fatal accident. “the fact the motorist was drunk or not doesn’t change what happened”.

Science doesn’t care for your feelings, my personal opinion based on what we have seen is it seems likely to be the result of an accidental lab leak, but there are other possibilities.

How some random internet guy based in West India was able to piece this together when the entire worlds media couldn’t along with their very powerful intelligence agencies is the interesting question, I would posit he didn’t and the careful rollout of first being allowed to talk about a lab leak, then Fauci saying he’s not sure it was natural and then the release of his emails is I would suggest limited hangout.

A limited hangout or partial hangout is, according to former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency Victor Marchetti, "spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.

Highlighted the last sentence for you as that would seem to be your course of action, since you seem to think how it got released or was naturally formed is of no real consequence, forget about it, right?

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It’s good that more people are talking about this, but honestly, it’s nothing we didn’t know since Feburary 2020, thanks to early citizen journalists like Chris Martenson.

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Where did you scrape this fake statement from, I wonder?

Bring a quote or don’t bring at all.

Your own post. Actually if you want to look at it from a scientific point of view and put all the options, there’s more than those 2.

Since you want to look at scientifically, the 2 options, being naturally occurring or having been the result of an accidental lab leak are not the only two possibilities. Although alternate explanations I would hope are very unlikely to have happened.

I’m not pushing for a desired outcome here @mups I am a let the cards fall where they may kind of person. The problem here is a media that pushed a perfectly reasonable explanation into the verboten to be talked about realm with the help of big tech who would deplatform anyone who brought it up.

Which by the way, since you want to bring up the politics of it, you have ostensibly defended Big techs right to censor speech and induvials as their right, you have also been steadfast in your support of media always telling the truth.

Egg on your face all over in your defense of what should have been obvious to everyone.