Which is why carrots are not keto, but make awesome cakes.
I was worried that you were one of those keto people. 
I was banned from the Taiwan subreddit because their gestapo ketogenic mods couldn’t take any criticism about their meme diet.
Now I’m here. 
Unless you cook on your own… which is what I did when I needed to loose weight.
We always cook 五穀米 at home.
Explanation here:
As I’ve mentioned before, if you’d like to see what a relentless diet of rice, rice, rice does to you, visit the Philippines.
Criticize away. I don’t like the word ‘ketogenic’ because you have to eat a pretty extreme diet to remain “in ketosis”. I’m not going to start frothing at the mouth and tell you carbs are poison. However the Western obsession with grain-based food is a bizarre aberration, driven mostly by the USDA’s desire to destroy as much farmland as possible in the shortest possible timescale, keep farmers dependent on government subsidy, and create a buoyant market for lucrative obesity-related medical treatments.
How do you call then a diet based on rice, noodles, dumplings and buns? Let me guess… “Eastern obsession with grain-based food” perhaps? does it qualify as “bizarre aberration” too?
Then we can’t really duke it out. 
The argument on Reddit they were putting forward is that carbs are literally poison.
You seem too reasonable, something most ketogenic people are not.
I also agree with this, but I personally think it’s animal agriculture that plays the majority role in everything you listed.
It isn’t though, is it? Admittedly there’s a certain underclass who eat a lot of those things, but they’re a minority. And they get fat.
Grains here are (relatively) expensive, as they should be. They’re hard to grow and land-inefficient. The typical Taiwanese mealtime involves an assortment of meat and veg, plus a little bowl of rice. Skinny Taiwanese girls don’t eat the rice, because they know it makes you fat.
AFAIK rice has become cheaper here only because of WTO rules that force Taiwan to accept a certain quota of (subsidized) American rice.
What country are you living in? every single TW meal includes one or more of those elements.
You haven’t put “little” in the correct part of the sentence.
Never saw a single Taiwanese saying no to rice.
It includes it. It isn’t based around it. Fair enough, if you buy a cheap bian dang, it’s got a pretty damn big serving of rice in there. But most people I know don’t eat like that at home.
As I said earlier, my observation is that human metabolism exhibits a brittle failure mode. Within a wide range of inputs, it’ll either deal with it, or adjust its control loop parameters (the main difference between the two being the time constant or gain). At some point both of those mechanisms hit their physical limit stops, and the whole thing just falls over.
Clearly, you only hang out with fat girls.
To be fair, I know lots of women who skip the rice.
I see it a lot too. 熱量太高, they say.
I see this all the time. They are wrong in thinking rice makes you fat tho. 
Traditional Chinese meals, like traditional meals all over the agrarian non-Western world, consist of large helpings of (cheap, easy to grow) starches, which provide(d) the energy needed to fuel their labour-intensive daily functions, with smaller helpings of vegetables and even smaller helpings of meat/proteins.
This is utter horseshit:
Grains here are (relatively) expensive, as they should be
Rice is WAY cheaper than meat or vegetables, are you insane??
Anywhere you go, carbs are the cheapest form of nutrition
Maybe they exist, but in a parallel Taiwan to the one where I live. And most meals either have a huge amount of rice, or offer rice refills. And again, every single meal has rice and or noodles and dumplings. I do think Asian diet is overall more “grain focused” than the average European diet, which is usually richer in terms of meat and veggies, and with probably a wider variety of ingredients.
Never thought I’d agree with @Rocket…
If fat girls are all the girls in my jobs, girlfriends, acquaintances, and any other female around me, then ok whatever.
Don’t do me any favours.
Poverty meals.
Starches in general are neither easy to grow nor cheap. That’s why the poor are poor. Not to put too fine a point on it, rice causes poverty.
The rich did not touch rice (poor people food). They’d deliberately avoid it to make the point that they were upper class. Even today if you go to a banquet, there will be no rice except (possibly) in the form of a dessert.
