Is traffic the worst part of Taiwan's lingering third worldism?

I answered TT’s question about parking, by showing him self-explanatory sample photos.

Regarding your questions about intersections, the are numerous possible solutions to design the turn sequence.

For example, given there are 4 directions Northbound Southbound Eastbound Westbound. At the beginning of the light cycle, you can have signals for the scooters going Northbound to go first, i.e., they are allowed to go L, R, Forward. However concurrently, Northbound car lane is allowed to make a left-only turn, as well as Eastbound car lane allowed to make a right-only turn. No crash.

If you have a pen and paper you could tabulate all permissible sequences.

You underestimate the creativity of TW drivers.

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No, you didnt

Your idea of scooter lanes might work in the west.

Won’t work here there are too many little lanes, alleys and streets that will make your vision impossible. The cars and scooters will get mixed up horribly as a result.

Add in the cost of setting it up to work with the sheer volume of scooters here…

Also scooter riders will ignore the lanes and continue to ride on sidewalks, parks, walking streets, night markets and anywhere else they choose.

Only way is to make scooters super expensive thru taxes or make the parking nearly impossible for them like in Japan.

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Why not ask Gogoro to handover 50% or their stocks to the government, and government appointed CEO can sell the e-scooter at whatever discount YOU think the public will buy? Just run this state-owned-enterprise at a loss but who cares. Isn’t that more straightforward? if you do the math the amount of subsidy is the same.

Socialist state like China can do just that.

And in China the air is so clean because of EV. ( i guess not)

I don’t and that’s precisely why even more segregated lanes are required. Otherwise TW will continue to have 3000 death per year.

You do

Huh? Taiwan has “too many little streets ”compared to where? Las Vegas?

All the “First-Worldism” cities that have protected bicycle lanes also have too many small streets. But they don’t cheap out on the sidewalks like Taiwan.

Mixed use on small streets are okay since traffic speed is generally slower anyway. In many cases One-Way is designated.

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In many cases, people don’t give a shit and go the wrong way on a one way.

I think you’re taking this too personally, and it is blocking your ability to see that you cant just duct tape something that works in Australia onto the Taiwanese traffic system.

Your solution is unworkable. We all agreee with various reasons and you have refuted none. You have not changed a single mind. Please, I’m sorry that this has been your brainchild for so long and it is being so mercilessly ridiculed, but it is a terrible idea for the reasons we have outlined above.

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Not at all taking it personally. This is how public policy discussions usually are. When a new change is proposed it starts with a lot if resistance.

Then someone somewhere has to experiment at a local scale. Then in about 10 to 15 years politicians in other municipals or jurisdictions start jumping on the bandwagon. “Give us the highspeed rail” Give us the EV charging stations!” “ We need another baseball stadium”

The patten is universal.

Where the small lanes join onto main roads, how will the cars get into the main rd car lane and vice versa? They will have to fight their way thru a wall of scooters. And what about the scooter lanes bollards?

Scooters here routinely do 50km on the small lanes. So “convenient” for them.

Heck a Canadian friend of mine got nearly killed when hit from behind by a scooter doing 40km on a sidewalk in Shilin. The rider got like 2k ntd fine. My friend ended up three months in hospital and a permanent limp.

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I think what needs to be better understood is what drives the bad driving traits.

What I can work out is the following:

  • poor road design
  • lack of road infrastructure
  • bad design of road signals and signage
  • lack of rules and enforcement of advertisements signs on and next to the road
  • lack of enforcement of existing rules
  • fines are low and enforcement is infrequent
  • lack of anticipation of what will happen ahead

Plus other issues around training which I can’t really understand but is obviously a problem.

Some of these issues are cultural and others are legacy issues but non are difficult to over come as other countries have done so.

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Not impossible if the desire and the competence are there, no.

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Stop rambling, i did not say anything along those lines. Things are set up right now in favor of gas, we don’t need to go into details why, we already know it. It should be flipped it the other way. Gogoro is not and shouldn’t have to be the only electric company either.

I think making almost everything in the cities one way would help tremendously. Then scooters can stick to one lane and cars can stop on the opposite side. Near the presidential palace it’s like that except scooters can use all the lanes, and it works.

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I cannot hope for much improvement in controlling motorcycles…as seems only gets worse year after year. I have one request though…disallow motorcycles from driving between moving vehicles. I freak out when driving with cars on my left and right…as well as motorcycles weaving in and out and zooming by me between my car and the car next to me. If motorcycles want to drive in every lane…then they must drive in front of and behind cars…not between them.

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Yeah, also how normalized it is here for everyone to pass anybody from their right-side is very scary too.
It’s a kind of learned behaviour though, because of how roads are designed to have motorbikes passing you at high speeds on the right, vehicles stopping and joining traffic without signaling out of the blue, and how in highways the fastest heavy trucks drive on the right…

If only passing was always from the left, and vehicles always stayed on the right if not passing…

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If we can’t have zero scooters, can’t we at least have one Zero Scooter day per week or scooter free zones?

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I think government corruption and an antiquated education system is the worst part of Taiwan’s lingering third worldism

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