London is currently hotter than Taipei

I think you may have missed the part about implanting microchips.

In the meantime, for those who may not have noticed, the world is on fire.

Guy

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Not true.
Average temps year round are creeping up

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Since the 1980s, each decade has been warmer than the previous one. This is expected to continue. The warmest seven years have all been since 2015, with 2016, 2019 and 2020 constituting the top three. An exceptionally strong El Niño event occurred in 2016, which contributed to record global average warming

Meanwhile the exceptionally cold winters only occur every 20 years or so.

The winter of 1963** - the coldest for more than 200 years

With temperatures so cold the sea froze in places, 1963 is one of the coldest winters on record. Bringing blizzards, snow drifts, blocks of ice, and temperatures lower than -20 °C, it was colder than the winter of 1947, and the coldest since 1740.

I thought they just wanted to party with sex workers in the snow?

The earth is about four billion years old and we’ve only been here a short time. We didn’t cause all this mess. It’s the fault of our ancestors.
I demand reparations from the dinosaurs for my generational trauma. Forty ounces and some fuel. That sounds about right.

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Don’t know about the 1970s killer beers but I think the 2020s killer beers are here though with all these great mini breweries offering beer that’s phenomenal just killer

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They grew up to become the Wu Tang Clan.

And now you know!

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All I know is we’re recklessly spewing way too much shit into the atmosphere and we need to do better.

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Bees ? Ah Bees I read Beers :smiley_cat:

When we didn’t have so many measurements it was cooler. QED.

As population grows over time, so have population centers. Small towns grew into larger ones, and eventually became cities. Cities then added airports and various infrastructure. Thus the issue is two fold - the weather stations that used to be outside of town getting natural readings are now inside of town or surrounded by highways getting skewed readings, and additional weather/temperature stations have been added over the years around towns and airports which can be notorious heat islands.

So let’s say 50 years ago you had 1 station measuring outside of town, now you have 3 or 5 located within the city, some right inside major heat islands. Duplicate this all over the world and you get tons of new data indicating warm air anomalies and breaking records. Same goes for the Sea Surface Temperatures where more and more Buoys have been deployed in shipping lanes around the world - especially when these lanes are close to landmasses.

Now plug all that new data into a computer model and it will show an extremely dire situation.

The difficulty is getting realistic climate models.
For old data you have tree rings and ice cores which can go back thousands of years, at least for local conditions. By late 1800’s there were 500 weather stations measuring temperature at 1 meter height across the US. Since then we have added hundreds of thousands, all over the world. In the 70’s we started adding Satellite temperature data, and tweaked it over time using different measurement techniques and new instruments to examine the entire air column. With new innovations these measurements have become even more accurate. Buoys were also added around the ocean, offshore from landmass and in major fishing and shipping lanes.

All the new data coming in is good to have, but needs to be carefully weighted when plugging them into climate models. It’s hard to find groups that do this who are trying their best to be unbiased because they have funding incentive to do more research if the result is more dire, or they political incentive to shut down the debate to make way for more drilling, etc. It’s critical that we continue to foster a healthy environment for science moving forward.

That’s not all they changed from the weather reports from the 70s. Don’t you miss them shifting the clouds manually?

Looks like you might have been misled on this one

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Listening to Radio Four this morning, exasperating journalism as usual. Sadiq Khan was being interviewed about climate change and the need to take action. Then the interviewer turned on him after Khan repeated the advice from the fire service about not having bbqs in a heatwave, and accused him of creating a nanny state. Can’t win.

A WuTang Killer Beer would be amazing though

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Huh? was not referring to whatever that article is talking about. Not misled at all – this is easily verifiable by watching any old forecast and seeing how different the color scales were, and how clearly exaggerated the colors are getting especially over the last 10 years. Its a standard marketing technique, they making things more eye-catching, more alarming, so you look at the forecast and think “holy crap, that looks serious!” and then people can repost it, tweet, etc.

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After 2 days of heat, it is a back to normal UK summer now. Cool breeze 20C.
What fear porn can the media scare us with today, I wonder?

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I felt cold in the supermarket just now. Liberty!

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“London is currently colder than Taipei”

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I gather that while many took advantage of a dip in nearby fountains, none were desperate enough to take a dip in the Thames.

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advice from people that live with heat exhaustion and heat stroke many times monthly:

if YouTube ain’t ones thing, read up on thermoregulation. all animals, plants etc do this. might change a person’s life knowing about such biology :slight_smile: certainly revolutionized my life working outdoors in taiwan!

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So you’re saying climatologists can’t construct instruments to make apples-apples comparisons with past data, and that we’re only taking measurements where it’s hotter?

they can. but I think its it’s obvious some people use actual data and present it towards a bias that doesn’t represent the entire picture. not speaking of above example, but in general this does seem pretty common.

I think it’s worth noting, anything can be shown extreme on x/y axis if going super detailed. 100 years is a short time line. if we use days to compare climate change and cherry pick specific years, it doesn’t really come across as accurate. unless they are explicitly pointing out these are extreme points. getting rid of the data in between seems disingenuous.

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