Movement to push for dual citizenship for immigrants

I have made preliminary contact with a social worker who is helping Southeast Asian foreign spouses organize and push for the right to have dual citizenship.

The key problem for foreign spouses is that, for quite a number of them, after they renounce their citizenship to complete Taiwan’s citizenship application, their application is subsequently denied leaving them stateless. Once stateless, they have no right to stay in Taiwan and no right to return home.

I will pop back in when I have more concrete information. I am interested in playing what little part I can in moving to change this law. I would sure like to see this one changed!

Never heard of any such cases, and never believe untill you have solid information.

I haven’t heard of this one, either. Maybe the occasional isolated case, but your assertion that it is a “key problem” for “quite a number of them” seems to me to be a gross overstatement.
I’ll be interested to see some hard statistics – there is presumably a record of these people with no right to stay and no right to go home. Can’t imagine they’re not held in detention centers.
How come nobody has heard of them?
I’d like to see dual citizenship for immigrants, sure, but if this is the best they can come up with for a reason, then I don’t hold out a great deal of hope.

It happens. There was a woman on the news (Public TV) the other day who had married and given up her (Vietnamese) citizenship. Meanwhile, she and her husband were divorced, she doesn’t have (and likely won’t get) her ROC citizenship yet, and Vietnam is basically ignoring her. Of course it was a newsy show and the real story could be absolutely anything at all. Fact is, it is possible for someone to be left in a situation like this and whether or not it happens often, there should be either a mechanism for dealing with, or this potential trap should be eliminated.

There sure ought to be. What a shitty situation to be in.

TW needs to be more liberal. They want to be like the USA, well the USA does not force you to give up your original citizenship. It only warns you that if you are in your country of citizenship, the USA may not help you if you get in trouble (something to that effect, not those exact words).

I don’t know who is keeping statistics on this, if anyone. What would the government gain by publishing a list of stateless people they had deprived of all citizenship? I too would love to have some harder information and hope to get some over time.

Saying “quite a number” was an overstatement on my part, but it is serious enough to get at least some of the social workers who work with immigrants in the south to begin organizing around it. If they are delusional, then society is in better shape than they think. I will take that as good news.

I came in contact with this issue specifically through my wife’s work in the field of domestic violence counseling. Her work brings her into contact with social workers and others working on both human trafficking issues and violence against immigrants.

The particular social worker who is filling us in on this problem is based in Pingdong and works for the 屏東縣好好婦女權益發展協會 (Hao Hao Women’s Rights Organization). They are specifically concerned with foreign spouses, brides in this case, who have left their husbands due to domestic violence reasons. By leaving their husbands during their citizenship application period, they lose the right to stay, but they also have no right to return home if they have already renounced their original citizenship. Technically, there are supposed to be legal means for them to gain citizenship, but they often fail (see excerpts below for details).

Although I would prefer, and think we deserve, the right to dual citizenship, I think the Hao Hao Women’s Rights Organization would be satisfied with a system that ensured these women would retain citizenship in at least one country at all times, rather than having a limbo period where they have given up their original citizenship but have not yet gained Taiwanese citizenship.

Here are a couple paragraphs on the topic:

Excerpted from:



All I got for now. If/when I get more, I’ll post it.

You know, I should read my own excerpts!

According to the Pingdong Haohao Womens’ Rights Organization, the Interior Ministry states that “nearly 100” women are now stateless due to rejection of their application for Taiwanese citizenship.

I divorced during my ROC Nationality application and wasn’t forced to leave.

Neither was I refused Nationality just because I divorced my ex wife.

I divorced during my ROC Nationality application and wasn’t forced to leave.

Neither was I refused Nationality just because I divorced my ex wife.[/quote]

How many years ago was that, again?

It’s entirely possible that the rules have been changed. Or that there wasn’t any rule before but they’ve implemented one now. Or found a new way to apply an old rule. Or something… :slight_smile:

It’s also possible that Satellite TV is not Southeast Asian…

Yes, but I’m sure he’ll be the first to agree that the government offices of the Republic of China don’t discriminate based on race or (former) nationality.

Yes, but I’m sure he’ll be the first to agree that the government offices of the Republic of China don’t discriminate based on race or (former) nationality. [/quote]

Is there a sarcasm point missing there?

I love it! That could easily become my most used punctuation mark. Do they have a version available for my speech as well?

Rules have remained unchanged.

Yes, but I’m sure he’ll be the first to agree that the government offices of the Republic of China don’t discriminate based on race or (former) nationality.[/quote]

I won’t be the first to agree to anything like that at all. We all know that the Chinese don’t have racisms towards other races at all… They say it’s not possible. 6,000 years of culture and all that.

I know many Vietnamese woman who have separated or divorced from their husbands and who have succeeded in getting their ROC Nationality despite all the hardships they have been through.

Yet some of them are still being denied citizenship after they’ve renounced and consequently gotten divorced.

I wonder, could that be because they got divorced after renouncing, but before they applied for citizenship (TARC and one year waiting period for ID card)?
It would seem to me that if they’d already applied for their TARC and were doing their one year waiting period for their ID Cards then it wouldn’t be an issue, because then they would already have ROC nationality and an ROC passport.

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