Perfect Time to Declare Independence?

Why would you possibly think that?

The machinations that created him are still here? The Line Groups, the temple societies, the TV stations, the fake messages on social media. Even if it’s not him, they are controlling those people

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Yeah it’s hideous. Just keep the current flag.

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I think it was @hansioux who had a really good flag redesign for Taiwan.

Like Trump? Lmao.

In this day and age it’s really silly to expect a good president, an inoffensive one is better than 90% of the countries could hope for, including well-established democracies like the UK, Australia, and the US.

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And you forgot, not a woman. :smirk::wink:

Nothing forbids Taiwan from translating 中華民國 Chung-hwa-min-guo into “Taiwan.” Not even the Chung-hwa-min-guo constitution contains any text that stipulates how it shall not be represented as T-A-I-W-A-N externally. Therefore, if Taiwan wants to drop the ROC entirely in English, it is totally doable, without needing to change a single word in the text of the Chung-hwa-min-guo constitution, which is after all written in Chinese.

Think about it, you call Korea “Korea” but in their own language it is “Hanguk.” These two names do not sound alike, being etymologically different. Korea etymologically came from Goguryeo kingdom (which was not even the entirety of the peninsula ) where Hanguk韓國 is a more recent name made up by a more recent dynasty (大韓帝國).

So its perfectly fine that while in Chinese the text of the constitution of 中華民國 calls itself chung-hwa-min-guo, the same entity calls itself Taiwan - just like how the present day Hanguk calls itself Korea in English but calls itself Hanguk when spoken in its own language.

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If the world has no problem accepting that Nederland as Holland, and Deutschland as Germany, and has no problem accepting that Deutsch is not equal to Dutch, then it follows that :

the same world would not have any problem with treating Chung-hwa-min-guo and Taiwan as the same thing.

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No. That’s not even recognized a legitimate excuse to start a war. Also Taiwan changed its constitutions many times.

That’s what some 2nd-rated scholars / PRC propagandists would have you believe, how ever in reality, PRC would start a war only if and when they calculated that the military cost is low.

None of the past three Taiwan strait crises (military aggression by China) was caused by constitutional change. They were all caused by China’s under-estimation of US or Taiwan’s resolve to military defend Taiwan.

Correct. Diplomatic relations and geopolitics do not care whether the term “republic” or “kingdom” is present in any of the names.

Thanks for the shout out. Ever since Google Plus shutdown, I’ve been thinking about making a website for people to share Taiwan flag designs.

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I’m hoping the flu pandemic will wipe out any pro China sentiment remaining…

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It’s better but it looks so much like a flag of a Pacific Island no one would ever have heard of.

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Not to be rude

Do u think the CCP give a fuck about your word games?

We are in a different time. We are not in the Jiang/Hu era. Gaige Kaifeng is over.

We are already at war.

Some of you guys are really still living in the Chen Shui Bian/Early Ma era when there was the luxury to talk about things like flags. You are still in Roxy /Daves ESl Cafe, Tealit mid 2000’s Taiwan and dont see things have changed.

1)Ma opened the floodgates for Chinese money to infiltrate this island. The KMT is not the KMT of the past, its completely bought out by the CCP
2) Xi is different from the Deng faction(Deng, Jiang, Hu) and he has taken the country back to the Mao era. He wants to take Taiwan and has control of people, information and the military in the way that nobody else did in the past. They have pulled every dirty trick out of the book and infiltrated every level of life on this island since 2012.

This is what Tsai was talking about when she said the situation has changed https://youtu.be/IZcG9jy0TWQ?t=100

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They are too far gone. They dont care about truth.

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The people you think of as being great leaders are great because they had skill sets that suit the particular situation. Tsai is a status quo technocrat who appears to be skilled at viewing the big picture and keeping an eye on the future. That’s probably best for Taiwan at the moment.

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CCP in Xi’s era gives a fuck about the rate of success, which is basically a function of US capability x US resovlve x Taiwan’s capability x Taiwan’s resolve.

Therefore he does not care about word games, although he would certainly like to use word games as critical component of psychological warfare. Therefore he would like you to believe that China military aggression will happen when Taiwan plays word games.

Actually, it will not.

I agree with this in nearly all circumstances. I think the threat of invasion is low. Apart from in the circumstance where Taiwan outwardly claims independence, which a name change would be. There is no way he would be able to hold on to his status in the party.

So I dont really see the point of poking the bear, when there is so much to risk.

Tsai is referring to the more than 1000 times China sent war planes to circumnavigate Taiwan, the purpose of which is to wear out Taiwan’s air force. (parts, hours, manpower, etc.). Taiwan’s military authorities do not publicize every incident of incursion, for the sake of public peace of mind. The public is only notified on a need-to-know basis. But Taiwan’s top command understand the goal is to deplete TW’s airforce.

China’s military aggression is independent of Taiwan’s political word games such as constitutional changes. Military aggression continues even if Taiwan doesn’t do anything. But China would like you to believe as if China is compelled to do something in response to Taiwan’s word games. It’s just deception.

The 反滲透法 law has been brought in because the situation is so out of control. Universities, schools , the military… everywhere there is Chinese influence and manipulation. Watch this:

The “provoke” theory is fundamentally flawed or false. The premise of provocation is based on the assumption that China will be upset and hence act upon emotional reasons. Which obviously is only deception. It is actually false to say that China is unable to control its own feelings.

China’s telling Taiwan not to play word game is indicative of the fact that China is still military NOT READY to sustain such a high failure rate, or you may think of it as China not ready to pay the invasion cost as-is.

If and when China truly feels ready, then China will seize the chance, (just like how it occupied and militarized the reefs in the South China Sea) irrespective of whether Taiwan says anything or not.

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