And even I know paying for woman is universal. What does that say about you?
If you suggested to split the bill, then the woman probably didnât consider it a date.
What it says is you should be quiet lad.
Perhaps itâs time for another Forumosan poll to see if most guys here pay for their dates.
Iâll even throw in a third option:
âOffer to pay for one dish only, but tell her she needs to pay for her own drinks and extras.â
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I never said âdonât pay for your datesâ
What I said was it should not be an obligation to pay for everything. All the meals, all the time. Some girls expect this. They think its the manly thing to do. And guys who live at home with mommy and have no bills are fine with it. Iâm not, if I want to pay- itâs my treat.
As for first dates I canât really remember. I probably did a fair amount but plenty of girls ask to go halves too.
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I split the bill a few times when dating my wife. Seems to have worked out just fine
Edit: to make things clear usually the girl suggests Splitting the bill at least in Taipei (donât have experience dating in Taiwan outside Taipei).
Yeah this is what I mean. If you want to pay thatâs ok to. Sometimes itâs nice to give a gift. Anyway itâs almost always best to choose a low stakes first date preferably something that doesnât cost money or at least not very much money.
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He sees women as equals, and doesnât want to put them in a position where they feel they owe something?
Iâve split costs with plenty of Taiwanese girls. When I invite someone on a first date I tend to pay, but I wonât argue about it.
There was one time a catfish suggested a place for a drink, and then she had dinner as well, and when the bill came she just looked it it and didnât move. If sheâd been interesting or attractive, the time and money would have been well spent.
If a woman never contributes anything, I donât see that as the foundation for a relationship
But again, this hasnât generally been my experience here. Usually women have at least made an effort to pay on the first or second date
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Only counts if family come
Iâd be more curious to know how many guys never or rarely date girls that wonât spend anything
Yeah
Ok, seems weâre seeing a trend
I wouldnât take a first date on a freebie. Even a walk can have a cold drink. But yeah, nothing too expensive
This is contrary to what @RickRooney is claiming. He claims Taiwanese girls never offer to split the bill.
Nothing wrong when a date offers to split the bill. I was saying you shouldnât expect them to do that if you asked her out. Unless youâre peers or mates or something, âasking someone out to dinnerâ usually implies youâre paying - whether it is a date or not (but especially if itâs a date).
Whether itâs a date or not, asking someone out to dinner usually implies youâre buying them dinner unless youâre close friends or colleagues or roommates, or just getting a casual quick bite or something.
@RickRooney you were initially complaining that women here never offer suggestions on where to eat:
Perhaps you can change your phrasing when you ask women out? If you expect them to make suggestions, then you should make it clear that youâre not paying for them. You can say something like âhey wanna grab some food after work tomorrow?â instead of âmay I take you out to dinner on Friday night?â.
Thatâs how I feel, Taiwanese women have really surprised me with their proactive attempts to pay on the first date
Maybe you should quote him in full?
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I entertain you with a full reply and this is how you repay me? 
No I was saying that those girls who expect the guys to organize everything, where to eat, what to do, while they sit back and contribute nothing - because of cultural dating aspects -are not my cup of tea.
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Ok, but I think it still goes back to whoâs paying. If someone has made it clear that theyâre paying for me (whether it be dinner or a full-dayâs worth of fun), then I wouldnât feel comfortable offering any suggestions on where to go, as it may be out of their budget.
If youâre looking for suggestions on activities, then it might be best to keep it casual, and make it clear that youâre not paying for her.
Of course, donât do this on the first date. You should definitely pay for and plan for everything on the first date, to make your intentions clear.
Its part of Taiwan culture where men are suppose to "take the lead always ". Its stupid but its how it is.
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Always pay the first time.
After that can split it upâŚ
Nah see how much you like her. If you donât get on split it, if youâre really into her then pay.
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At most pay for the first one, never afterwards.
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Yeah agreeâŚI think how it shakes out afterwards is a good indicator of trustworthiness, splitting it up evenly after the first date seems fair
When I go on a date, a man always pays 
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