Taiwanese student in USA accused of plotting school massacre

Yeah hangman’s nooses. In my Boy Scout troop, it was an enduring mystery exactly how that knot was tied.

All that being said, keeping your kid out of the Pennsylvania state pen, in a situation where he didn’t hurt anyone and simply allegedly said some stuff, comes first. I tend to think this lawyer would not be so much of a hardass if he were facing the same situation. He sounds like a… publicity hound.

I remember making those when I was a kid.

Or they heard from other parents that Pennsylvania was good enough for their son.

What does a kid making a noose imply?

Coming after what the Mom said, and since he is regarded as an authority and hence his insight was asked for, I actually find it refreshing that he did not go with the he is Taiwanese no one understands him there, he is a kid let him be angle. I mean, terrorist charges and a bail of 100k is big trouble.

Parents usually kowtow, apologize and pay up here to keep their offspring out of jail. Please refer to the case where the guy crashed his luxury sports car killing his gf, was set free after above procedure, and just last year killed a young entrepreneur baker…And again his parents came to the rescue. Note: baby is over 30 years old. So what the lawyer is against is this kind of thing.

I mean, if the parents try to move influences and money talks, that will not be healthy for the kid involved, regardless he is innocent or not. Proper process should prevail.

I understand the concept, but I seem to recall the same thing being said to prove that states can’t legalize cannabis. :cactus:

That he wants to play Cowboys and Indians? A hangman’s noose is pretty much the same thing as a lasso. In either case, most young boys read adventure stories that are sure to involve both lassos and nooses at some point, and it’s only natural to be curious about such things. Did you have a childhood?

I don’t like that angle either. But don’t give the parent a hard time here. The kid didn’t eat a baby. Her priority is obviously keeping him out of jail at this point, and I think suggestions that that should bow to concerns about setting a bad example etc. are really misguided here. It reminds me of the Bai Xiao-Yen case, when there were way too many similar voices. That was different on a few counts, but one thing is for sure here. The mother’s celebrity status is going to count for zero in the US. Presumably she has enough money to hire a good lawyer, and that’s going to help tremendously, the same it would help anybody.

Earlier I wrote that an “ATF webpage quotes the Gun Control Act’s definition of ‘rifle’ and provides illustrations of various rifles”:

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Stop oppressing me with your terranormativity, mammal. :rage:

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Yeah, your kind don’t really have necks, so I guess this is an “alien” concept for you.

I’m just picturing little kids running around with workable, human size nooses made of rope vs. little kids trying out different kinds of knots in string and not sure which image fits what you guys think is both normal and healthy.

It may be normal for kids to put plastic bags over their heads and see how long they can keep them there without dying, but that doesn’t mean it’s healthy. :2cents:

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it worked. he shocked people and he is now famous. I don’t think this is going to help his mental issues at all.

I think you’ve definitively answered my question about whether you had a childhood or not. :sunglasses:

Yes, her celebrity status does not count there, but counts here were gummit is going to intervene on her behalf.

As you say, no harm donw. But asa big oopsie, the kid needs some counseling and a whoop ass, not necessarily in that order, to straighten him up.

Now he’s got a different perspective of law enforcement work.

Saw something about that, but will they? Even if they do, what they can do is limited. Especially in this current climate. Is like a senator or someone going to talk to the prosecutor to put in a word for the kid? Maybe, but a good lawyer is much more of a big deal. A good lawyer will be trying to get such statements from anyone they can any way they can.

As you say, no harm donw. But asa big oopsie, the kid needs some counseling and a whoop ass, not necessarily in that order, to straighten him up.

No doubt

Is it possible that An Tso Sun’s behavior in Pennsylvania is an example of couterfeit deviance?

Would be interesting to know if this kid suffers from ASD (autism spectrum disorder). Some people have pointed out that the kid seems off or appears odd. That is a fairly common description of ASD kids. Also, he doesn’t seem to be a kid who - as is typical of school shooters - would be aware of the cultural ‘legacy’ of Eric Harris.

What’s more his relationship with his parents - by their hands-off or indifferent nature - may have kept him outside social conventions and thus vulnerable to dwell inappropriately on guns and a martial culture.

There is an interesting theory that school shootings are best understood as slow-moving riots. Is it possible that An Tso Sun’s relationship to school shootings is a counterfeit deviance, rather than an actual deviance defined by attempting to join the riot?

The idea that people with autism-spectrum disorders can stumble into patterns of serious criminality has a name: counterfeit deviance. It has long been an issue in cases involving A.S.D. teen-agers and child pornography. “They are intellectually intact people, with good computer skills but extraordinary brain-based naïveté, acting in social isolation, compulsively pursuing interests which often unknowingly take them into forbidden territory,” the lawyer Mark J. Mahoney writes in a recent paper. They come upon an online image that appeals to their immature sexuality and don’t understand its social and legal implications. The image might be “marked” for the rest of us, because the child is in some kind of distress. But those kinds of emotional signals are precisely what A.S.D. teen-agers struggle to understand. They start to obsessively collect similar images, not out of some twisted sexual urge but simply because that’s the way their curiosity is configured. What gets these young adults into trouble with the law “is not abnormal sexual desires,” Mahoney writes, “but their tendency to express or pursue normal interests in a manner outside social conventions.

So many words, so many theories. Its touching how so many people are so concerned about his mental health rather than the bums on the street.

In the end, this adult needs to be tried in a court of law, if he made a real threat he needs to be sentenced and jailed.

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Parents will always be parents - we can’t change that - it is what it is.
however, let me quote something on the link posted by @Icon
something pretty interesting

‘‘Also, others pointed out that it is ironic that it was Di that said “18 years old is an adult, and he therefore should be responsible for his actions,” when celebrity Chen Kai-lun’s (陳凱倫) son Chen Jui (陳銳) was arrested for gambling in 2010’’

So according to the mummy, ‘‘18 years old is an adult, and therefore should be responsible for his actions’’ — and that was for gambling ONLY !!

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