Indeed. This is the problem with pre-history, the historians don’t have a lot to work with.
I’d imagine geronticide varied widely according to environmental pressures.
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That’s true. That provides value. I suppose some old people found ways to add value and some don’t just like today. They must know some good information if they’ve lived that long.
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My physician friend tells me that he and his colleagues consider doctors that give TRT as highly irresponsible. Their reasoning is that the male hormone is a significant factor in many of the cancers (like prostate) and preventable health problems (like heart disease) that aging men tend to have.
I’m aware that estrogen can contribute to breast cancer risk, but I’ve never heard anything about testosterone being carcinogenic. Do you have any sources?
There are similarish possible side-effects for women with HRT. It’s a trade-off. I’m toying with the idea of looking into TRT.
This is false. The interesting with doctors is they don’t always keep up with new information if they’re not reading new studies in a particular area of medicine. There were some studies that seemed to indicate correlation, but new studies have found no relationship between the two.
It may even lower the risks.
Medical consensus is changing on TRT as more people go on it and more studies are done. It’s a fairly new area of medicine Ao there consensus is always changing. It sucks we still have doctors that stay with the negative stigma of the past and not prescribe something that can improve someone’s quality of life fairly easily.
This is why I always say, listen to your doctor, but you got to be your own advocate. Doctors don’t always know everything and they’re often wrong. This is why you see a specialist and get 2nd opinions.
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Definitely look into it and find a knowledgeable doctor in the area. It’s a new field of medicine and a lot of old guards of endocrinology are still with the old mindset. This is one of the reasons I don’t like going to old doctors sometimes. Medical information is changing fast, especially in some newer fields of medicine. Not every doctor stays up to date on every subject.
Doctors can be extremely ignorant and stuck on their old mindset. More than once I’ve brought new studies to them about my treatment and they refused. When asked why, it’s pretty much because that’s the way he learned it and been doing from medical school 30 years ago.
I don’t doubt your experience, but at the same time older MDs in the US have likely survived more than one malpractice lawsuit. If they seem hesitant to discuss or try new things, it could well be because (1) they’re tacitly encouraging you to find another doctor, or (2) they or their malpractice-insurance premiums have suffered financially in the past through discussing what-ifs with patients who seem happy taking risks.
I think I’m with @finley on this one, at least so far. I reckon there’s a good reason that T production subsides as we age. And it’s too early for me anyway.
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The science is clear. TRT is no longer a new area of medicine we know little about. There are thousands of people on it if not more and many studies to show TRT does not cause prostate cancer.
I don’t doubt that. What we don’t know yet (or know very well) is how men do when they are on trt for several decades. I certainly still have questions, anyway.
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When you’re 70 not if you are 70. And there is never such thing as zero opportunities keep your head up young man, carry on fighting !
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I mean TRT is simply replacing the level of testosterone you’ve had for the first few decades of your life. I do believe incorrect dosing and not monitoring yourself on it can be detrimental to a person’s health. But to be honest, when I’m 50 and I can get 30 great years, I’m happy. I suspect there are more health issues to worry about than TRT for men.
Except it’s not that simple, not really. What you’re also doing is shutting down the organic production of testosterone by your own body. What effect does that have on the entire organism (me) after say twenty years?
Maybe nothing at all, but I ain’t going to be the guinea pig here. 
Eh, tell you what. You come back to us when you’re 50 and let us know if your opinion has changed any. I was 30 once, and I remember how easily, how steeply I, too, discounted my years between 50 and 80. 
I’m keeping an open mind, though. Haven’t ruled it out, but frankly it’s not something I look forward too. Just seems like it marks the beginning of the end in my book.
I think when the time comes I’ll just hit the gym and exercise and eat healthy to keep the testosterone and HGH up and consider supplement with Cialis if really necessary.
Why cialis? It’s the weekender.
Very possible. Metabolic syndrome is a catch all term too I guess. From talking with experts in the area they are the first to admit we are scratching the surface in understanding how some of this ties together.
It’s really tough science. We do know certain things though…Being overweight is generally bad…The size of your waistline.
But then losing weight later on in life can also raise your heart attack risk compared to some fat people. So maybe we know nothing. 
I actually am somewhat involved in the endocrinology area and I don’t really venture into this discussion becaude it’s highly complex . Some of you guys are definitely familiar with hormones and bodybuilding but I’m not too sure about some of the other claims being backed in solid science. One of the key takeaways from my involvement with hormones is it’s the RATIOS that are often used to diagnose a certain disease. What we need to be looking at is not just T but a bunch of other hormones as well and checking those ratios. TRT and growth hormone , they have powerful effects, they may indeed be beneficial overall, HGH especially , but then therea going to be some unknowns thrown in aswell I guess.
Cialis and other vasodilators like it doesn’t increase libido.
Both are just good to do. Being fat is really bad for men because it causes increase estrogen. It’s why you often see overweight men have man boobs. Older men often get man boobs as well if their testosterone levels are low and estrogen high.
It seems a lot of negative effects of TRT stems from estrogen, as testosterone can convert to estrogen if not check. Increase estrogen can cause heart issues from water weight retention. It’s completely avoidable if you are on the correct dose.
This is a growing field of medicine, a fast growing one and a highly profitable one. I suspect we will continue to see more and more research into it in the coming decade.
I’m just saying I want to get the most out of my last 30 some years. It’s coming to an end lol. And hopefully I’ve made enough to enjoy it not just comfortably, but live in luxuary. 
I’m i’m going to grind my ass off working 60-80 weeks for the next 20-25 years just to be an old, frail, and lethargic man . I’m want to enjoy my life the best I can past 50.
I see so many older men go on vacations here in Italy, just to fall asleep and have low energy. Too fragile and weak to do anything adventurous. It makes me sad to see because they probably slaved their whole life to retire just to not be physically capable of enjoying it.
That could be due to a lot of factors, not least that many people are lazy all their lives.
I see tonnes and tonnes of older active people in Taiwan, very few take any hormone therapy at all. They are hiking and playing tennis everyday… they keep themselves fit and active. It probably helps when many retired at 50 plus and are fairly well off
I see some older men take this OTC oral testosterone with some other herbs and caffeine at the pharmacy sometimes. It’s not very bioavailable orally but I don’t think I’ve seen something like that anywhere else.
Sure. I still think it offers a lot of benefits for people who want it. I can see why some won’t care but I think for me, it’s a why not? I’m still a while away from that point, but it’s something I’ve considered as I’ve worked with a few older men that do TRT. They all seem to absolutely love the physical and mental benefits.
You must mean 60-80 hour weeks. Just so you know, many, many, many people, when they are old, regret having done just that. They regret not having enjoyed their family, wife, and friends more.
