The AOC (Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) thread


#402

I have no doubt you’re right. But the most I could see about this BDS movement in a quick wiki is they support the “right to return.” Maybe there’s more?


#403

A good article.

The infiltration of Hamas terror financiers into a major American BDS-funding group should be a wake-up call to naïve college students and BDS apologists who think the BDS campaign is all about human rights and “ending the occupation.”


#404

Am I still allowed to comment on Israeli domestic and foreign policy without being accused of being anti-Semitic?


#405

No. It just sounds like the new class of Socialist dems have grown up on Chompsky.


#406

Sure, why wouldn’t you be?

I think you miss the connection and what groups like the BDS have done, which is to ambush the Liberal identity politics intersectionality oppressed terminology for their cause. Take a look at a post by Linda Sarsour on the subject.

Nancy is a typical white feminist upholding the patriarchy doing the dirty work of powerful white men. God forbid the men are upset - no worries, Nancy to the rescue to stroke their egos.

Indeed, they are the ones who are being oppressed as she goes on.

For years, when members of Congress have spewed blatant anti-Muslim racism, islamophobia, propaganda against Muslims and even held racist hearings with our tax payer dollars, Democratic leadership were never swift to condemn said members or put out resolutions condemning islamophobia and/or standing in solidarity with Muslims on the record in Congress.

Of course it’s always Israel that they single out, not human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, treatment of gays in many Islamic states, rights for women in said places. Condemnation for groups like ISIS, not so much. Barbaric practices like stoning or chopping peoples hands off under Sharia law, don’t recall that being a concern or death from apostasy.


#407

The first thing I see is this is Jared Kushner’s paper which doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence. Then I read the first part of the article

The terrorist organization Hamas and the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS) share a common goal: The elimination of the Jewish State of Israel—one with rockets, tunnels, suicide bombers and explosives placed to kill the maximum number of civilians; the other with words and actions to demonize Israel, turning it into a pariah not worthy of its own state in the Middle East.
The Hamas Charter states, “Israel will exist, and will continue to exist, until Islam abolishes it…. There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad.” Senior Hamas official Izzat al-Risheq openly admits that the ultimate goal of BDS is to destroy Israel and calls for escalating BDS “to isolate the occupation and end the existence of its usurper entity.”
Palestinian Omar Barghouti, a founding member of BDS, contends, “A Jewish state in Palestine in any shape or form cannot but contravene the basic rights of the indigenous Palestinian… most definitely we oppose a Jewish state in any part of Palestine….Ending the occupation doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t mean upending the Jewish state itself.”
In their own words, there is no daylight between the ultimate objective of Hamas and BDS.

I’m not interested in reading more. Hit piece. By listening to and reading about Barghouti a bit more, this impression is strengthened.


#408

Ok, lets look at it from another angle. First you need the vocabulary otherwise this descends into “oh you are just being Islamophobic”.

Imam Tawhidi below does a good job 25 min mark explaining, who are ex-muslims, Muslims by name only, moderate Muslims (which he goes on to say don’t really exist more like they are reformists) then also what an Islamist is and a fundamentalist and finally a jihadist.

The whole interview is interesting, I would certainly raise an eyebrow if someone suggested he did not know what he was talking about. But this is his take on Omar and the other freshman from Palestine.


#409

Meh, I don’t think we’re anywhere close to there yet. She’s stated some political opinions right or wrong, it’s not like she posted cartoons from Der Sturmer or something. It’s enough reason to ask questions and something to pay attention to, but that’s as far as I’d go right now.


#410

No, but it is telling that certain people are lining up behind her and singing her praises. This guy has tweet after tweet recently. Not that I heard any mention of this in the news or anyone asking her to disavow any support for his views. Funny that :thinking:


#411

Here’s an interesting piece from Thomas Friedman.


#412

It’s hard to say Palestinians are not anti Semitic when they vote in a gov that openly advocates the extermination of Jews, not just Israel.


#413

And what kind of government did the Jews vote in, hmm?


#414

“they”?


#415

“the Jews”?


#416

Yeah. They


#417

Definitely a good article. @BiggusDickus also a good example of someone who is overall in support of Israel but critical of Aipac and Netanyahu. One doesn’t even need to have an overall positive support for Israel even to be making sense or valid points.

But I suspect you already know the difference between valid criticism and antisemitic utterances.


#418

The obvious response would be “Not all of them”, but I guess you would reply with something along the lines that all who did were Palestinian.

It appears we’re left with “they” and “the Jews”. At least the lines are clearly drawn.


#419

I would like to think so. If ever I’m not so, please pull me up on it.


#420

I would hope I have some ability to analyze it.


#421

If someone opposes any and all meaningful efforts that the Israelis take or might consider taking to survive as individuals, he might be an anti-Semite.

Of course they’re not going to admit it up front. You have to do the math. Or ask: “What would you permit the Israelis to do to avoid being slaughtered?” If that question is met with silence, followed by an attempt to change the subject, then you’ve got an anti-Semite.

And if the question is met with a really, really stupid or vague answer, then you’ve got an anti-Semite who doesn’t respect your intelligence.

The way past bullshit is to demand specifics. If it doesn’t get you the truth, at least it will confirm that you’re being lied to.