The Biden Presidency

A parting gift from an incompetent, clueless moron.

Russia would rather have a Trump presidency that I believe, not for the reasons you are fed in the MSM or that Russia hasn’t been the go to guy to blame for everything, even Clintons pee pee dossier which they knew was disinformation from the get go.

China and Iran, they have Biden written all over them.

It was a pretty amazing hack, how you get the hack into an official SolarWinds update without being detected will have SolarWinds facing some tough questions. The compromised systems were so critical to US infrastructure, they could have been used in a Fire Sale. Damm lucky to plug the security flaw which raises the question was it sloppiness on the part of the hackers they got detected or was it deliberately pointing out the security flaw.

The answer to that last question, might be the answer to who it is and that may indeed be Russia, but they might not have been the only ones aware of or using the security flaw.

I remember that from 4 years ago. While I haven’t seen anyone pushing impeachment for Biden, I won’t say that there’s no one pushing it like so many democrats were before Trump was sworn in.

I seem to remember many on the left trying to overturn the presidential election 4 years ago. Not only were democrats in Congress doing this, there were even celebrity videos trying to promote this “seditious” idea.

Some intellectual honesty and consistency would be great.

“The left” isn’t a monolith. Bring those questions up with those celebrities then. I’ve been very consistent in my views and can only speak for myself. I never doubted Trump won 2016.

Plus, there’s no comparison to that and this fiasco. 50 lawsuits, attempted bribes of electors, death threats against state legislators and Secretaries of State… Let’s not even pretend the scale is the same.

Yes it would be but I’m not going to hold my breath.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/13/politics/kfile-democrats-2016/index.html

Acceptance of Trump as legitimate President by Clinton voters in 2016- 76%
Acceptance of Biden as legitimate President by Trump voters in 2020- 23%

You can “seem to remember” anything you want; like Trump, some people just prefer to live in their own imaginary world.

If a bunch of celebrities or anyone else made that video for Trump though, people would be losing their minds. Tools.

Hopefully they’ll get around to squaring EC procedures away or eliminating it, it’s ridiculous.

Indeed, there were calls for impeachment for Trump before he took office in the media, by representatives, and by senators. Some even started before he won the nomination. This grew over the course of 3 years spurred on by a baseless and debunked conspiracy theory, ultimately leading to actual impeachment. If anyone is talking about impeachment now, I haven’t seen it. If in 2023 half of the republicans are calling for Biden to be impeached based on Biden’s electoral victory, then there may be some equivalence.

yurp

Totally deserved actual impeachment.

Do you know why Biden withheld a billion dollars unless they fired the prosecutor?

I don’t mean he claims it’s because the prosecutor was corrupt or a couple of others did so too (that’s always easy to get a couple to go along with you). I mean why was he so adamant and please don’t just say “because he was corrupt” I mean what was he being corrupt about.

Because kind as I want to be to Biden, it looks damming on the other side of the equation that he got him fired because he was looking into a company his son sat on the board of.

I don’t care if he spent it on Ukranian hookers. That was totally deserved, and he should have been removed from office from what I saw.

I’m now talking about the GOP trying to overturn the presidential election, not impeachment. I thought that was fairly obvious from the context of what I said.

(Plus, 2013…? Do you know what year it is? :wink:)

No, an explanation of sorts is required. Recent emails reveal “the big guy” got 50% of all kickbacks from his son, what we know for sure.

His son was getting millions from a corrupt company.
We know it was run by a corrupt oligarch because everyone has said so, embassy staff to reporting at the time.
We know the owner was making bribes and was being investigated for bribes at the time Hunter was there.
We know, Hunter and others petitioned the State department to stop investigations.
We know Eric Ciaramella was involved in talks in the White house with Ukrainian prosecutors telling them to hand off investigations to the FBI (same Eric Ciaramella that was the whistleblower)
We know Joe Biden lied when he said the investigations into Burisma were dormant, because a recent Senate report says so.

So is it too much to ask, what exactly was the reason Biden withheld a billion dollars unless they fired the prosecutors?

A jury would expect a reason and if you don’t know, or it seems you don’t care, the obvious reason is he did it to cover for the company boss and his corruption.

Of course I care, but it wouldn’t justify Trump’s actions in any case.

There are proper channels to go through, in which facts would be established and actions taken on that basis.

Sure, but the question remains, do you know why Biden withheld a billion dollars, short of saying the prosecutor was corrupt, but not knowing what his supposed corruption was.

It looks like, Biden as point guy made a mess of things and when Trump talked about what a mess of things Biden made, they impeached him for it.

History will sort itself out, but like Clinton some things might take a few decades before people start being honest about what happened.

It’s a loaded question. Why, was there some reason?

It doesn’t look like that to me at all.

Yeah it might take a while.

Yes there was. I was hoping someone who says the impeachment was justified would know.

To someone watching from the outside, the evidence Biden got the prosecutor fired because he was looking into Burisma is compelling. Perhaps overwhelming.

What is the evidence he got him fired because he was corrupt? It seems to me your knowledge on this is “Biden says so” with no further proof needed.

I’ve made my position clear–whatever such facts hypothetically may have existed, Trump was in the wrong. Trump’s actions deserved impeachment regardless of whatever facts hypothetically may exist about Biden.

I haven’t seen it, the opposite actually. Anyway, and it seems I may not be making myself clear about this, it doesn’t matter. We can’t have a president shaking down foreign governments like a mob boss to get dirt on his political opponents, even if that dirt hypothetically exists. We have established legal pathways which should be used to determine the guilt and innocence of people based on evidence and punish them if warranted.