US Election Polls and Predictions

[Toe_Tag]

This one’s in the bag folks. My work is done here today. I’m signing off for a while. You can watch the rout unfold at the following link. Looking like a landslide. People have seen through McSame and made up their minds.

fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/ … s-106.html

You can read these numbers as well as I can. Obama leads by 6 in North Carolina? 12 in Virginia? 7 in Florida? 3 in Missouri? Obviously, I am cherrypicking some of the more pro-Obama results here … but the point is, there are a lot of favorable results these days for Barack Obama.

[sandman]

there’s no depth to which the Republicans won’t stoop to win this election.

Whew! Thank goodness for those lily-white Democrats, then. Just as well Americans can count on them to be honourable, truthful and straighforward

[Chris]

@sandman

[quote]there’s no depth to which the Republicans won’t stoop to win this election.

Whew! Thank goodness for those lily-white Democrats, then. Just as well Americans can count on them to be honourable, truthful and straighforward [/quote]

It’s a matter of degree. I never said the Dems are paragons of virtue, but since the time of Nixon the Republicans have consistently been far sleazier and more dishonest than the Democrats.

[Bodo]

just alittle inside info … I have been engaged in phoning folks in Ohio regarding the election and folks in Ohio are fired up over the economy and very pro Obama. Polls cited bbly others showing Obama ahead in many key battleground states. Yes we have alittle less than month to go and anything can but it is sure looking good for Obsma. Expecting McCain to get ugly in the debate tonite. If McCain can convince voters that Obama lacks judgment in his choice of “pals” such as Bill Ayers and Rev Wright then may help his cause. Don’t think he has a strong case though. We’ll see.

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

Interesting. In the current climate, I would assume any association with Bush et al would be deadly at the polls. Should be, certainly will be in six months time when the real impact of his economic mismanagement is felt!

HG

[Dr_McCoy]

McCain really needs to win Florida, but he goes out and says he will cut a trillion dollars from Medicare. Maybe he doesn’t understand Florida. Most people look at Florida and think, “There’s a lot of old retired people there.” McCain looks at Florida and thinks, “These youngsters don’t know what’s good for them.”

[Dragonbones]

@Chris

It’s a matter of degree. I never said the Dems are paragons of virtue, but since the time of Nixon the Republicans have consistently been far sleazier and more dishonest than the Democrats.

That’s my perception of the politicians out there on the campaign trail as well. But Chris, I think we should (out of consideration for our Republican friends online here) try a little harder to distinguish between ‘the Republicans’ (politicians) and those voters who are registered Republicans or who identify as such. I’ve failed to do so in the past, and hurt some feelings unnecessarily. The truth is, the vast majority of the Republican Forumosans I’ve met are great people, and I’ve never seen any indication of sleaziness or dishonesty on their part. I’m sure you’ll agree.

[Dr_McCoy]

@Dragonbones

[quote=“Chris”]It’s a matter of degree. I never said the Dems are paragons of virtue, but since the time of Nixon the Republicans have consistently been far sleazier and more dishonest than the Democrats.

That’s my perception of the politicians out there on the campaign trail as well. But Chris, I think we should (out of consideration for our Republican friends online here) try a little harder to distinguish between ‘the Republicans’ (politicians) and those voters who are registered Republicans or who identify as such. I’ve failed to do so in the past, and hurt some feelings unnecessarily. The truth is, the vast majority of the Republican Forumosans I’ve met are great people, and I’ve never seen any indication of sleaziness or dishonesty on their part. I’m sure you’ll agree. [/quote]
As long as they abandon the whole ‘guilt by association’ tack.
If you want your cake, you have to eat it too.

[cfimages]

@Dragonbones

I’ve failed to do so in the past, and hurt some feelings unnecessarily.

Oh, the fun Fred Smith could have had with that line.

[Chris]

@Dragonbones

[quote=“Chris”]It’s a matter of degree. I never said the Dems are paragons of virtue, but since the time of Nixon the Republicans have consistently been far sleazier and more dishonest than the Democrats.

That’s my perception of the politicians out there on the campaign trail as well. But Chris, I think we should (out of consideration for our Republican friends online here) try a little harder to distinguish between ‘the Republicans’ (politicians) and those voters who are registered Republicans or who identify as such. I’ve failed to do so in the past, and hurt some feelings unnecessarily. The truth is, the vast majority of the Republican Forumosans I’ve met are great people, and I’ve never seen any indication of sleaziness or dishonesty on their part. I’m sure you’ll agree. [/quote]

I suppose I should make it clear (and will do so explicitly in the future). When I talk about “Republicans” and “Democrats”, I’m almost always referring to the candidates and the incumbent politicians; sometimes also pundits, talk show hosts, columnists, special interest groups and religious leaders. In my recent rants and criticisms, I have not been talking about individual voters or supporters of these parties.

I’ve met many of the prominent Republicans in the Forumosa community, and have found all of them honest, genuine and good folk. Comrade Stalin and Fred Smith proved fun people to meet and have a beer (or fine champagne) with. I have great respect for Tigerman, Hobbes and jdsmith, who provide enlightening insight into online discussion, and I’ve learned a lot from them. One of the few I haven’t met in person, Tainan Cowboy, I also know from PMs and such to be a decent and upstanding fella.

So to clarify once again: I’m not talking about the voters or supporters, much less any of the fine folk at Forumosa. I’m aiming my criticisms squarely at the people at the top. (I’m also critical of many Democratic politicians, like Lieberman and Feinstein, but hey, it’s the campaign season right now…)

[Gao_Bohan]

@Dragonbones

[quote=“Chris”]It’s a matter of degree. I never said the Dems are paragons of virtue, but since the time of Nixon the Republicans have consistently been far sleazier and more dishonest than the Democrats.

That’s my perception of the politicians out there on the campaign trail as well. But Chris, I think we should (out of consideration for our Republican friends online here) try a little harder to distinguish between ‘the Republicans’ (politicians) and those voters who are registered Republicans or who identify as such. I’ve failed to do so in the past, and hurt some feelings unnecessarily. The truth is, the vast majority of the Republican Forumosans I’ve met are great people, and I’ve never seen any indication of sleaziness or dishonesty on their part. I’m sure you’ll agree. [/quote]

Kumbayaaaa my Lorrrrrd, Kumbayaaaaaaa, ohhh Lorrrrrrrd, Kumbayaaa…

I judge everyone I meet as an individual. But if individuals choose to identify with a political party that habitually runs sleazeball tactics, then they should expect to receive due criticism. That doesn’t translate to believing that every Republican a liar and scumbag (obviously), but nor does it mean that the Republican base is some kind of island independent of their candidate. Without the base, there would be no Republican party.

[Mawvellous]

Worse, Palin’s routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 02935.html

I don’t like the Republican party much…
How the hell is Palin’s disastrous interview Kate Couric’s fault, liberal bias huh? But then why have to other GOP figures not had similarly disastrous performances?
Many people in the GOP base are also xenophobic, homophobic, reactionary, and racist. Some senior GOP politicians are not beyond playing up to these sentiments when it is politically expedient.

[Mawvellous]

Some opinions from McCain/Palin supporters…he’s a terrorist! It’s in his bloodlne!
tw.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RysKP5YCk

[Dr_McCoy]

[quote=“Mawvellous”]Some opinions from McCain/Palin supporters…he’s a terrorist! It’s in his bloodlne!
tw.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RysKP5YCk[/quote]
Cut his freaking head off!

[Chris]

[quote=“Mawvellous”]Some opinions from McCain/Palin supporters…he’s a terrorist! It’s in his bloodlne!
tw.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RysKP5YCk[/quote]

Uhhhh… why did they boo the mention of the New York Times? :loco:

And those guys outside…what nutcases!! Obama’s an Islamic terrorist, a Russian and a European Socialist? At the same time? The ugly face of right-wingerism. :loco:

[Mick]

Those odds are stretching thin, was 2:1 about two weeks back, then went to 3:1 about 10 days ago. now is 5:1

Ladbrokes 9:2
BlueSq 5:1
888Sport 5:1
Pady Power 5:1

and you dont want to even look at the return on an Obama bet, 10c on the dollar. So anyone thinks its to early to call, these guys are putting their money where their mouth is, and I trust that as an indicator more than the spin in the press.

easyodds.com/compareodds/spe … 234-5.html

[Mawvellous]

Here we go:

At a McCain rally supporters shout terrorist! kill him! at the mention of Obama.
tw.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

These are some views expressed by McCain/Palin supporters.
tw.youtube.com/watch?v=O4RysKP5YCk

This is what Obama had to say about it:

@Obama

Nothing’s easier than riling up a crowd by stoking anger and division. But that’s not what we need right now in the United States.

This is the response from the McCain campaign:

@McCain campaign

Barack Obama’s assault on our supporters is insulting and unsurprising. These are the same people obama called ‘bitter’ and attacked for ‘clinging to guns’ and faith. He fails to understand that people are angry at corrupt practices in Washington and Wall Street and he fails to understand that America’s working families are not ‘clinging’ to anything other than the sincere hope that Washington will be reformed from top to bottom. Attacking our supporters is a new low for the campaign that’s run more millions of dollars of negative ads than any other in history

And a follow up:

@McCain campaign

Barack Obama’s attacks on Americans who support John McCain reveal far more about him than they do about John McCain. It is clear that Barack Obama just doesn’t understand regular people and the issues they care about. He dismisses hardworking middle class Americans as clinging to guns and religion, while at the same time attacking average Americans at McCain rallies who are angry at Washington, Wall Street and the status quo.

firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ … x#comments

So is the McCain campaign condoning people shouting “terrorist” and “kill him” at McCain/Palin rallies? Were Obama’s words really an “assault on [McCain/Palin] supporters”, or really quite a low level response given the insults directed at him?
A truly bizarre statement from the McCain campaign, which really has sunk to the absolute depths…

[Rascal]

No comment

:liar: :liar: :liar:

And after Palin McCleanCampaign joins in: McCain Links Obama To Ayers

[Mawvellous]

[quote=“Rascal”]No comment

:liar: :liar: :liar:[/quote]

Link doesn’t work.

[Rascal]

[quote=“Mawvellous”][quote=“Rascal”]No comment

:liar: :liar: :liar:[/quote]

Link doesn’t work.[/quote]
Can’t get it to work when posting here. Go to dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com and search for “McCain and Palin’s lynch-mob tactics”, the video provides a good summary.