a) Women are attractive. Men fantasize about gorgeous heterosexual women they will never have a snowball’s chance in hell of ever getting with, all the time. Fantasizing about hot lesbians is not that much of a stretch. I have about an equal non-chance of making it with Salma Hayek whether she’s gay or straight. (Maybe I should’ve used Jodie Foster as a better example, except I never thought she was all that hot).
b) Men are not attractive. Very occasionally I’ll spot some perfect Michelangelo’s David type whom I’ll admire in an aesthetic/envious way - sometimes physical beauty is just beauty. But for the other 99.9% of the male species - nope. I realize that “everyone is naturally bisexual” is a cherished myth of polysexuals, but honestly - that sounds fine on paper, but theory isn’t reality. When I see an attractive woman, my mind and body respond immediately with all kinds of involuntary desires - it’s not something I have any control over. No man has ever given me a hardon (caveat that I haven’t spent any long stretches of time in prison). So you swing a little towards the bisexual middle of the spectrum, Theresa. That doesn’t mean that everybody else is just like you - I’ve heard the kind of reasoning you’re spouting from bisexuals plenty of times before, and it’s still not valid for the great number of us whom are either completely straight or gay and nothing we can do is ever going to change our basic sexual instincts implanted in our DNA at birth. Not everybody’s sexuality is fluid - most of us are “locked in”.
As for why some men like to watch two girls together, well, beats me. Two’s better than one, I guess, to some people’s thinking. I’m not averse to it but it doesn’t turn me on at all. Like Omni, I prefer to see my porn girl alone - the better to fantasize about me having my way with her, not some other guy or other girl.
But perhaps you have something about the nexus of homophobia and getting turned on by lesbianism. Guys like myself who have never had any doubts about their heterosexuality are generally completely indifferent to homosexuality - I mean, who cares? But the guys that are either in the closet or, like Theresa, of a fluid sexuality that sits near the middle of the spectrum close to bisexuality…yep, that’s where you’re going to find 90% of the homophobes in this world. You might find this link of interest:
“Men fantasize about gorgeous heterosexual women they will never have a snowball’s chance in hell of ever getting with, all the time.”
See!!!
(actually, I bet you might have a chance with the likes of Madonna. She’s not like a virgin, you know. To boldly go where…hundreds of other guys have already been before…)
Madonna and Britney Spears? Woof. You must be American.
Went to Ron Jeremy’s site. I find porn to be dull after five minutes (i.e. after you’re “done”), and as such cannot fathom the existence of, ahem, full-length porn flicks nor, in this age of high-speed internet access, the video stores at which they are rented. Still, thank god for such, if for no other reason than the titles of these films.
Some of my favorites from a list on the site:
Ally McFeal
Attack of the Monster Mammaries
Ball in the Family
Behind the Sphinc Door
Bone Alone
Butt Hunt 19
California Reaming
Frankenpenis
I Can’t Believe I Took It Up the Ass
Sgt. Pecker’s Lonely Hearts Club Gang Bang
Terms of Endowment
The Anals of History
The Flintbones
Throbin Hood
Whore of the Worlds
Is Taiwan the last place on earth where they actually still have porno film theaters? Those all died out in America way back around the time the VCR was invented. I can’t imagine why anyone would prefer watching their porn in a crowded public venue, when you could enjoy your whacking off (and that’s all porn exists for) in the comfort and privacy of your own home. Plus the added features of rewinding/slow-mowing/pausing the good spots. One of the weirdest things I saw as a newbie in Taiwan was this time I was walking around this nightmarket and saw one of those Japanese rape-fetish films being screened on a wall in this alley next to a temple. Hordes of people just milling around, either watching the movie or oblivious, lots of little tykes running around…
You’ve mischaracterized me ModLang. As I said, I’m happily hetero and recently married. I just happen to believe that everyone has different sexual preferences and whatever turns people on is fine, so long as it’s between consenting adults. If two guys want to do it fine. Two girls, that’s fine too. Two girls and a guy, two guys and a girl, ten people in front of a camera, no problem. Everyone’s turned on by different things. Why do some women find giving (or receiving) oral sex disgusting, and others love it? Isn’t Just a matter of what they’ve been conditioned to believe.
That’s my point. Some people like this and some like that. Different strokes for different folks. But, I am perfectly happy and content with who I am and with my sexuality (I’ve boffed plenty of women and not a man in my many years) so I don’t care what other people want to do in their bedrooms. That doesn’t make me bisexual. That makes me accepting of other people.
A friend of mine and his wife are swingers. They like to fuck other couples. While I don’t think that’s probably a very good thing in a marriage, if that’s what they’re into fine. I’m not revolted by them. I just don’t choose to do the same thing. But that doesn’t mean I “swing towards orgies” or whatever you said.
I just think you’re a little insecure about yourself and/or your sexuality and less accepting of others than I am. But I’m sure you’re young and with experience that should change.
What? Because I disagreed that sex is just a matter of “social conditioning” (hormones are stronger than society - our sexuality isn’t a matter of choice for most of us, or else the phenomenon of “in the closet” wouldn’t exist because we could just snap our fingers and choose not to be a persecuted minority)? I’ve heard plenty of bisexuals use the same reasoning as you about how sexual preferences are just the result of social conditioning, and So I mistook you for a bisexual considering the content of that post and that the majority of the posts I’ve seen by you in this forum concern gay rights/sexual tolerance/sexual rights.
No, Mod Lang. I thought you might be insecure about your sexuality because I gave my theory that some men might call homosexuality disgusting in order to assert their manliness and you, right on cue, called me a homo for the remark.
As for my involvement in the Gay Marriage thread, if you hadn’t noticed a few dozen others also joined in that discussion which went on for many pages. Are they gay too? I once protested the French-bashing thread. Does that make me French?
Back to the subject at hand, though, women as sex objects: I noticed the Brittney/Madonna kiss seems to have made the front page of every paper, Chinese or English, at the newstand this mornign.
I remember you previously mentioning your gf, and then I saw a recent post in which you mentioned having a wife. That set me wondering a little, but now you’ve made it all crystal clear.
I hope you are basking in marital bliss, and wish all the best to the pair of you.
[quote=“Mother Theresa”]No, Mod Lang. I thought you might be insecure about your sexuality because I gave my theory that some men might call homosexuality disgusting in order to assert their manliness and you, right on cue, called me a homo for the remark.
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I said nothing of the sort. This is what I said, and if you read it again, you’ll see that I was actually agreeing with your theory about how men insecure about their sexuality assert their manliness by talking about “fags”:
(Incidentally, the biggest homophobe in my highschool, a guy who bashed “fags” so much other classmates wondered if he was gay himself - well, he was, cuz he hit on me once by slipping me a note inviting me to sex with him in junior high. Of course I never told anyone about it. So you see this little anecdote of mine further validates the theory that homophobes are generally guys who are either gay/bi and in denial).
Being on the other side of 40, I’m a little old to have finally gotten married for hte first time but, like you, I enjoy all the beautiful xiaojies and I’ve always found the idea of selecting one woman, and only one, to be with for the rest of my life to be a daunting task. Each gf has been very nice in different ways, but being human each (like me) had a flaw: maybe she was selfish or had an obnoxious laugh or a big butt or was bad with money or whatever. So I think I was hoping by moving from one to another that eventually I would find one who was perfect. But of course that’s ridiculous. No one is perfect, and with billions of people in the world, no matter who one pairs up with there will always be someone who comes along in the future who makes you go, “wow, maybe I could’ve been with her.”
But suddenly I’m married, my wife is pregnant, and everything is completely different. I am thrilled about the prospect of having a child, and being a father. And I intend to be faithful to my wife till I die. It still seems a little strange to me the idea that there will never be another different partner, but I am happy with that idea, I think it’ll work just fine and I understand now what they mean when people say that “like a fine wine a relationship matures with age…blah blah blah.”
So, to tie this back into the subject of this thread, maybe that’s one function served by women as sex objects – to provide harmless fantasies for those of us who are tied down to make it through a lifetime of monogomy.
[quote=“QuietMountain”][quote=“MaPoDoFu”]Because two hot babes making out is fun to watch, while two guys . . . well, who wants to think about guys doing anything to anyone, much less to another guy?? Yuck. Gross. I can’t imagine why women put up with it, even.
BTW, not all guys find lezzies sexy. I’ve actually met one who finds it disgusting. Can’t explain that one. . . .[/quote]
Ok… MPDF, this still doesn’t answer my question. This is like just saying, “because” when someone asks you “why.”
I asked WHY str8 guys find it fun/sexy and you just say “Because two hot babes making out is fun to watch…” But, that doesn’t give a reason why that is fun and even seeing a guy holding hands is so disgusting.[/quote]
Next time I will be sure to use more mathematics for you. I have found a simple and yet brilliant proof, which this margin is too small to show.
I am so sorry. I just saw what you meant. But, I don’t think it was my poor grammar. It was my poor self editing. I think I deleted too much as I was editing my post to make sure I didn’t offend anyone…
[quote=“Mother Theresa”]But suddenly I’m married, my wife is pregnant, and everything is completely different. I am thrilled about the prospect of having a child, and being a father. And I intend to be faithful to my wife till I die. It still seems a little strange to me the idea that there will never be another different partner, but I am happy with that idea, I think it’ll work just fine and I understand now what they mean when people say that “like a fine wine a relationship matures with age…blah blah blah.”
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Acording to a survey I saw in a magazine, as women get older they tend more and more to object to the “sexual act”, and the reason is that they regard it as an intrusion. Men, on the other hand, as they get older more and more come to regard the “sexual act” as a release.
This difference in orientations often causes many problems in a marriage . . . . . so I would suggest that for those of you newly married, please don’t think you have totally figured out your spouse yet! He/She will change over time . . . . . . . . .
[quote=“Quest”][quote=“Mother Theresa”]But suddenly I’m married, my wife is pregnant, and everything is completely different. I am thrilled about the prospect of having a child, and being a father. And I intend to be faithful to my wife till I die. It still seems a little strange to me the idea that there will never be another different partner, but I am happy with that idea, I think it’ll work just fine and I understand now what they mean when people say that “like a fine wine a relationship matures with age…blah blah blah.”
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Acording to a survey I saw in a magazine, as women get older they tend more and more to object to the “sexual act”, and the reason is that they regard it as an intrusion. Men, on the other hand, as they get older more and more come to regard the “sexual act” as a release.
This difference in orientations often causes many problems in a marriage . . . . . so I would suggest that for those of you newly married, please don’t think you have totally figured out your spouse yet! He/She will change over time . . . . . . . . .[/quote]
Nuts!
I’ve known my wife for 18 years now, and we are now both in our 40s… I haven’t noticed any reduction in our libidos… however, having jobs that take lots of time and a child and a dog and other family and social responsibilities does cut into the time that might otherwise be spent satisfying our libidos.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard any of my 40ish friends complain that their sex life has fallen off due to an attitude change on the part of the wife/girlfriend.
As for sex in the 40s/50s and beyond falling off due to an attitude change…well, like a lot of younger people, to my thinking the big obstacle with sex at a more advanced age is the falling off of physical desire. Or to put it bluntly - you’re both too ugly. You see these dumpy, wrinkled middle-aged couples with all the physical beauty of youth drained out of them and wonder how it’s possible for them to have enjoyable sex, when he’s got a potbelly and she has the body of Yoda. I suppose massive fantasizing with the lights turned down so it’s completely dark is involved in middle-aged sex. All cats look alike in the dark, right? Aging sucks and scares me.
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Or does that happen in the 50s?[/quote]
Nope!
When I was in college I dated my German teacher’s daughter…after we broke up I dated the mother. She was ALOT more fun.
You Shook Me All Night Long - AC/DC
She was a fast machine
She kept her motor clean
She was the best damn woman I had ever seen
She had the sightless eyes
Telling me no lies
Knockin’ me out with those American thighs
Taking more than her share
Had me fighting for air
She told me to come but I was already there
'Cause the walls start shaking
The earth was quaking
My mind was aching
And we were making it and you -
CHORUS:
Shook me all night long
Yeah you shook me all night long
Working double time
On the seduction line
She was one of a kind, she’s just mine all mine
She wanted no applause
Just another course
Made a meal out of me and came back for more
Had to cool me down
To take another round
Now I’m back in the ring to take another swing
‘Cause the walls were shaking
The earth was quaking
My mind was aching
And we were making it and you -
CHORUS
And knocked me out and then you
Shook me all night long
You had me shakin’ and you
Shook me all night long
Yeah you shook me
Well you took me
You reall took me and you
Shook me all night long
Ooooh you
Shook me all night long
Yeah, yeah, you
Shook me all night long
Your really took me and you
Yeah you shook me, yeah you shook me
All night long
Wouldn’t be surprised if the same were true of the native men, as well.
Don’t cry for me, Argentina. I thought they held the title as the world’s most beautiful people with the highest rate of psychoanalysis in the world because they were all so neurotic about their good looks?
So I mistook you for a bisexual considering the content of that post and that the majority of the posts I’ve seen by you in this forum concern gay rights/sexual tolerance/sexual rights.
But, I don’t think it was my poor grammar. It was my poor self editing. I think I deleted too much as I was editing my post to make sure I didn’t offend anyone… 
