The Overdue Critical Race Theory Thread

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1979

Can you point to anywhere you stood up for the freedoms of speech when people were being kicked off social media, or did you default to “they are private companies and can do what they want”?

I don’t create the caricature, just hold the mirror. Don’t like what you see? Perhaps take a moment to reflect on that.

As for if the material being discussed is CRT or not, we have seen this talking silly point trotted out by those trying to defend it, you can change the name, call it something else, pretend it’s just history but if the substance is the same, CRT as an umbrella description works just fine. We all know what we are talking about, well most of us, some seem to get confused over simple terms like MSM. 'What is that, I can’t understand", so, silly discussions I won’t be having.

1980

I defended the daily wire’s right to use Facebook and profit off of aggregating stories that focus on culture war issues. I can criticize and defend their right to do whatever they want at the same time. Criticism is not the same as cancelling.

You are continually unaware of your own extreme partisanship and attempt to position everything as left vs. right. Liberal elites vs the people, etc. Pot and kettle…

A topic on the history of the civil rights movement is not CRT no matter how you spin it.

Regarding MSM:
I’d tell you I’m not confused about the term MSM. I understand exactly what you mean by it, and still think it’s a made up bullshit term people have used to buffer their own political identity. Blaming everything on media is a cop out. The barriers of entry to media and the amount of exposure any individual can get with a cellphone make this distinction pretty meaninglessness and not exclusive of left or right.

1981

Well good for you, Im glad to see you do stand up for the principle of the thing. My apologies. I don’t even read the daily wire, but cancelling anyone to express an opinion is just wrong in a Democracy.

Well I’m not sure why they are cancelling him then, I didn’t look too closely, I wouldn’t be for cancelling him even if that was the topic of conversation. Pretending it’s something else, has been a tactic used to teach exactly the same thing under another name as were false claims all they want to do is teach history, no one has a problem with that, or at least shouldn’t.

Very good, I’m glad we don’t need to have that conversation then.

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1982

Never was confused Mick. I know what Deep State, MSM all of these terms are supposed to be mean. Most people do but that doesn’t mean we don’t see through why people use these terms as a crutch. We had the conversation so hopefully you’d see a different perspective and not just accept the GOP propaganda machine. Like CRT…

1983

I subscribe to updates from the journal Educational Administration Quarterly because my doctorate is in educational administration. Was just sent an alert about a new publication which has used critical theory (critical race theory is explicitly in the reference list) to establish that black women are better principals. I haven’t read more than the abstract, but if one were to use similar methods to establish straight white men were better principals that would be laughed at and for good reason.

This stuff has policy implications at multiple levels, from money wasted on conducting the research and paying the people who do it, to mistakes made in policy planning based on it, to a reasonable justification for defunding higher education in general.

Anyways, here’s the title and abstract, references available through the link above:

Black Women Principals in American Secondary Schools: Quantitative Evidence of the Link Between Their Leadership and Student Achievement

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1984

Unbelievable that this got published. No, actually it isn’t.

1985

If the methodology actually makes sense and the findings are accurate, I would think the logical conclusion would be to find out what policies the black women use to get better results so they can be adopted by lesser races and sexes.

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1986

big if there. i’m confident it almost certainly doesn’t, based on my previous reading of similar work. would you like me to see if the full pdf is available, so i can email for your analysis?

but even if black women get better results here, doesn’t that mean white men could theoretically get better results elsewhere? even if the findings are valid (which i doubt), it undermines the whole CRT foundation of the paper…

1987

Thanks for the offer, but while I have taken stats courses and deal with data analytics as my job, this isn’t an area of focus for me professionally, and I’m not really interested in the topic. I would think that if the methodology were good, it should be used on all schools to determine which ones are succeeding, and then find out what they’re doing differently (other than hiring from Biden’s judicial nominee list). Like you, I suspect that it’s not that good.

That sounds like something a racist would ask. And probably a sexist, too. Let’s just call it the white supremacy of the patriarchy.

That’s if you take CRT at its word, instead of substituting “hate for everything we can connect to whites, Europeans, and/or males.”

1988

here, i get to pull rank on pretty much all comers on the flob

if the authors had identified something specific that these people were doing which made a difference, that would probably have been reflected in the title or the abstract. this is one of the reasons i think the whole thing is nonsense; they knew what they were going to find before they did the research, it is probably baked into the methodology.

well, i wouldn’t dare suggest such a thing publicly. i might want a job in canada some day (if such a thing were allowed for empirically inferior white men)

in the education literature, the difference isn’t very clear cut…

almost certainly, but i’ll read the paper if someone else will do so and then defend it

1989
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1990

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/02/01/parental_input_on_education_is_not_book_banning__147121.html

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1991

Wrong thread?

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1992

No. Thanks for keeping an eye out.

Spiegelman said it seems that stories about Jewish Americans will be the next battleground in public schools, “after coming against critical race theory as the accusation against books dealing with our history [and] never facing up to studying the genocide of Indians.”

1993

“The kids don’t even want this stuff,” says Fontanilla, noting that the ethnic studies course replaced a much more popular health class—in the midst of a pandemic, no less. “Most of them are just like, ‘Why do we have to take this class?’”

Now, kids say that about most of their classes, but – wait, this is probably why they hate it.

“Students will rank their various identities with corresponding colored strings to create intersectional rainbows. Gender, race, class, ethnicity, sexual orientation, beliefs, nationality, ability, age, etc.,” reads the syllabus. “Students will compare and contrast their intersectional rainbows with their peers, while framing their discourse within the intersectionality paradigm as laid out by Kimberlé Crenshaw.”

And this, is just awful:

Many people might consider such activities to be a form of left-wing activism infiltrating the classroom . Fontanilla is one of them. As a Christian, a conservative, and a black woman, she doesn’t believe that students—especially her students, learning English as a second language—need to be taught to check their privilege.

“It’s hyper-race-focused,” says Fontanilla. “And whenever there’s hyper race focus, racism will follow.”

Fontanilla decided that district parents had a right to know what was in the curriculum, and took steps to obtain the lesson plans so that she her job would not be at risk if she leaked them. But when the district handed over the documents, it omitted the slides that included the words critical race theory.

She decided to write a letter to the school board in protest of the ethnic studies curriculum. It was read aloud at a meeting on June 22.

“I do not appreciate constantly being pandered to and treated differently because of the color of my skin, especially since I did not have the freedom to not go along with it,” Fontanilla wrote, warning that the curriculum was an attempt at left-wing indoctrination. The statement elicited cheers from other parents attending the meeting. In response, the school board prohibited anti-CRT comments at its next public gathering.

“You know it’s something evil when they get so nasty defending it,” says Fontanilla.

While she has received much praise for speaking out, Fontanilla has also endured considerable online harassment, including threats of violence. One told her to “have fun being a token black friend to racist conservatives your whole life.”

“They’re all basically white liberals,” she says of the harassers.

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1994

I only skimmed it for now, but Fontanilla is sticking their head above the parapet. Hopefully being black will provide protection.

It would be great if kids figure out for themselves what these teachers are full of. I have faith and believe they will

1995

That intersectionality stuff is the worst.

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1996

Probably everyone saw about Whoopi Goldberg’s recent travails. A little elementary knowledge of CRT would have helped her. From Delgado:

A third theme of critical race theory, the “social construction” thesis, holds that race and races are products of social thought and relations. Not objective, inherent, or fixed, they correspond to no biological or genetic reality; rather, races are categories that society invents, manipulates, or retires when convenient. People with common origins share certain physical traits, of course, such as skin color, physique, and hair texture. But these constitute only an extremely small portion of their genetic endowment, are dwarfed by what we have in common, and have little or nothing to do with distinctly human, higher-order traits, such as personality, intelligence, and moral behavior. That society frequently chooses to ignore these scientific truths, creates races, and endows them with pseudo-permanent characteristics is of great interest to critical race theory.

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1997

Whoopie Goldberg is a smart person playing dumb, she did it with her “isn’t this about teaching history” remarks to John McWhorter and she did it here because the goal is to categorize Jewish people along side the privileged white folk.

I’m not Jewish but it’s fairly obvious to see and has been a constant for quite a number of years, plays into the stereotypical antiemetic theme of Jewish bankers/owners and forms the basis of Palestinian support over Israel.

Yup, that’s in the intersectionality mix too, dovetails very nicely with Nation of Islam teachings too. Whoopie knew exactly what she was doing, that’s what makes it so disgusting.

1998

Replying here instead of the funny pictures thread.

Always rushing to their defense JD. Recommended not to be taught sounds so much nicer than removed from school curriculum as every publication I have read stated. I’m sure if they didn’t follow their recommendation their career prospects would be in question. Seems likes they won’t just stop there…

https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/tennessees-governor-gop-push-for-more-scrutiny-of-school-libraries/2022/02

In Tennessee, the debate has simmered for months as the state’s education agency finalizes how schools should enforce a law banning the teaching of certain concepts of race and racism known as critical race theory — an academic framework about systemic racism that has become a catchall phrase for teaching about race in U.S. history.

That debate only became more inflamed when the McMinn County School Board decided last week to remove “Maus” from its curriculum because of “inappropriate language” and an illustration of a nude woman, according to minutes from a board meeting. The illustration is actually a cartoon mouse, and the effort backfired in one sense, sending sales of the book soaring three decades after it won the 1992 Pulitzer Prize.

“This is an effort to intimidate us to not buy controversial books and they’re trying to intimidate us to not speak out about these laws,” said Bryan Jones with the Tennessee Library Association. “Much like the critical race theory debate, this bill obscures the truth. There’s no pornography in school libraries.”

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