@cake was accused of that earlier, and I responded to the accusation:
@cake doesn’t like war. He has a long history of posting antiwar opinions on this board:
December 13, 2002
May 7, 2003
October 31, 2004
October 19, 2005
June 9, 2006
January 29, 2007 (quoting William Blum)
November 6, 2008
October 10, 2009
August 25, 2011
September 1, 2013
June 14, 2014
March 23, 2016 (quoting William Blum again)
September 2, 2018
October 10. 2019
To be clear, i wasn’t accusing anyone on the forum of anything.
Then I apologize.
Holy smokes! I see what you mean!
I thought I saw something like that earlier, but it was a closer call than your video (the smoke puffs looked like they were sort of overlapping the tanks), but I was like, maybe the tanks are being hit, but the fragments/concussion can’t been seen from the drone’s height. Thing was, though, the tanks were still moving.
But in your video, the errant behavior of the rounds/rockets is pretty easy to see, to put it mildly.
I also saw a video of some Mitsubishi trucks that were equipped with S-8 rockets, about which I know nothing, except that I read somewhere (Wikipedia maybe?) that those rockets were originally supposed to be for use by aircraft. I couldn’t make out what type of vehicles the rockets were being used against (tanks, personnel carriers, or what) because the vehicles were far off and partially enshrouded by the smoke from the rockets. But whatever the vehicles were, they kept on moving, and I didn’t notice any explosive flashes. Since the events were occurring in a field, one Twitter wag asked if the video was a demonstration of some new agricultural method. Anyway, even from my layman’s perspective, it seemed entirely possible that those rockets were indeed better suited for aircraft.
May I just, completely besides any important topics, point out that this French artillery thingie’s user interface looks like straight out of a bad 1990s computer game?
I especially like that “ASAP” field. Probably it sets up something like “When would you prefer your target to be obliterated?”
PS: How about the Panzerhaubitze 2000? Is it live yet?
I like that it has a glossary, just in case they need to pause the game and look something up mid-battle.
At least it wasn’t designed in Taiwan. The user would likely need to download and install four independent security plugins on first use, then go get a six-digit activation code from 7-11 before firing.
Sure! We could use a laugh or two around here.
That would work. Or how about, “When would you like to bug out after firing this thing?” I think that would be the one task I could do skillfully on that contraption: pressing the “ASAP” button if it was for getting the hell out of Dodge.
I’m not sure. This article, dated yesterday, says Ukrainian soldiers have completed the first stage of training on it:
Does it take very long for them to learn their way around it?
That was a blast from the past.
And reading it was a reminder that nothing has changed much.
I think you skipped the part about visiting the NHI office to set up a password to enable digital access.
Guy
But I think if we ignore his nomenclature, he’s got a point.
This is all on Russia
Well, we heard from some city councilmembers today. Now, they’ve long since left, but they’re still in touch with some residents. And they put out a statement, saying thousands of bodies are decomposing in the rubble as summer sets in there. Also, the sewage system is not working, so they say there’s a powerful stench throughout the city. The statement said the city is literally drowning in garbage and sewage, and there are fears there could be a cholera outbreak.
Now, Russian state media denies there’s a humanitarian crisis there. But since Russian troops took over last month, the city is largely a black hole when it comes to information.
I am.
VERY unpopular.
Taiwanese students in particular regard it as cruel and unusual punishment and generally flatly refuse to attempt it.
Taiwanese staff pretty much ditto, though its a BIG BUT UNDEFINED THING in the fictional official syllabus.
I was at a publishers seminar on “Teaching Critical Thinking” a few years ago and I used spotting some BS in one of their textbooks as an illustrative example of how I teach it.
Another foreigner spotted it.
“So UNFAIR to students.” was the general Taiwanese verdict.“You must to tell them the right answer”
Maybe a cultural thing. Or just me.
I like it. Was thinking the same when I read @fumarole response and article.
This is ALL on Russia? From the article.
the European Council president, Charles Michel, said Russia’s war is having a global impact - quote, “it’s driving up food prices, pushing people into poverty and destabilizing entire regions. Russia is solely responsible for this food crisis.”
Driving up food prices, inflation, people being pushed into poverty, food shortages, supply line problems, high price for gas and heating.
Using critical thinking, is this really ALL Russias fault? They certainly made things worse, but ALL of it? Is Russia “solely responsible for this food crisis”?
To misquote HAL “We are putting them to the fullest possible use, and that is ALL, I think, that any conscious entity can hope to achieve”
I was referring mainly to the situation in Mariupol but if you want to get technical:
EVERYONE? EVERYTHING?
You throw out exaggerations quite often, the difference is most just ignore it.
I would agree with that, also the other places named. That’s on him.
You cleared up what you were referring to, I took something from the article that doesn’t apply completely, of course he made things worse in all those regards. But we have some great prerenders and liars ourselves which is what I was taking exception to. Inflation for example was happening all last year. We have Janet Yellen here saying, Biden is doing everything they can, but because Putins war in Ukraine, nothing we can do about high gas prices. Im sure Putin made things worse, but inflation was already there.
S-8’s are unguided. A lot of captured pods were used by Libyan insurgents mounted on Toyota Hilux. In a ground to ground role they would probably be fired in salvos, laying down an intense area bombardment of very short duration, with lots of “shock” effect.
A tank, though, is protected and a pretty small thing to hit, and not all S-8’s have shaped charge warheads. I dunno if an ordinary HE S-8 is big enough to reliably disable a tank, but I’d guess not.
The rounds in the video were coming in singly, which, together with the crater shape, suggests they were artillery shells.
Leaving aside the details, though, both examples show journalists ignoring the obvious evidence of their eyes, apparently in favor of an editorial agenda.
Stupidity or contempt for the punters?
I’d guess maybe both, but with emphasis on the latter.
It was The Sun and The Daily Mail, after all.
Russian ammo depot hit by the 44th Separate Artillery Brigade
Here’s the Twitter video I was referring to, with comments. I must have hallucinated the agricultural reference, because I can’t find it in the thread. However, there are some remarks that I found interesting.
https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1533440343475200001
One commenter wondered why the folks involved in the acquisition or use didn’t ask the Americans to provide some kind of guidance mechanism(s). He/she seemed to think that sort of thing was in existence and available. Not gainsaying you, though. 
